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Old 08-17-2013, 12:01 PM  
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Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated.

“No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other.

“These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:03 PM   #16
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Well look at it this way.

There are more and more gay men/women in this country than there ever was before. Large major cities esp are just flooded with these people.

The gay/lesbian population aren't the ones who are reproducing in this country. They usually adopt....very few do the surrogate thing etc. Yet the number of gays/lesbians continue to rise at an almost exponential rate within the last 30-40 yrs. If being gay was "genetic" then that particular mutation in the genetic/hormonal makeup would eventually die off, because there's not enough of them to reproduce. You'd see a decline in the number of gays if it was genetic.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:12 PM   #17
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San Francisco was the first major metropolitan area to ban police raids of gay bars and nightclubs. Hence the gay population quadrupled within a decade. You're a dumbass.
I understand the history that has lead to SF becoming the gay "capital" it has become. That doesn't affect what I said at all. My point was that being the way it is today, it's accecpted, and heavily promoted to extent over there. That has an affect on the youth in the area. They( more than kids in other areas of the country) see and hear the culture being celebrated on a regular basis. It may sway the more vulnerable kids to gravitate towards it.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:13 PM   #18
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Could it be because texas isn't quite as accepting of openly gay people as some other parts of the country?
I do think that has an affect, yes.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:23 PM   #19
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Not that I'm conceding the findings here, but even if it isn't genetic, that in no way means it's a choice.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:29 PM   #20
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Could it be because texas isn't quite as accepting of openly gay people as some other parts of the country?
When I worked as a concierge at a hotel in Hollywood a couple of guys came up to my desk. They were very friendly and told me they were from Texas. I have family there so we discussed, etc.

Then they very sheepishly said, "I hope this doesn't offend you, but...we were wondering where we should go for ... (then he got quiet) any gay bars." I was a little shocked. I was so used to people being very open with their orientation, I wasn't used to this kind of question being taboo. I also felt really bad for them that they thought they to apologize to me about it. Anyway, I happily pointed out a couple nearby and also, of course, directed them to West Hollywood. Not an Earth shattering revelation, but just a wake up call to the difference in views.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:32 PM   #21
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I understand the history that has lead to SF becoming the gay "capital" it has become. That doesn't affect what I said at all. My point was that being the way it is today, it's accecpted, and heavily promoted to extent over there. That has an affect on the youth in the area. They( more than kids in other areas of the country) see and hear the culture being celebrated on a regular basis. It may sway the more vulnerable kids to gravitate towards it.
So, youths in San Francisco are more likely to gravitate towards homosexuality when they are damaged and want acceptance?
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When I worked as a concierge at a hotel in Hollywood a couple of guys came up to my desk. They were very friendly and told me they were from Texas. I have family there so we discussed, etc.

Then they very sheepishly said, "I hope this doesn't offend you, but...we were wondering where we should go for ... (then he got quiet) any gay bars." I was a little shocked. I was so used to people being very open with their orientation, I wasn't used to this kind of question being taboo. I also felt really bad for them that they thought they to apologize to me about it. Anyway, I happily pointed out a couple nearby and also, of course, directed them to West Hollywood. Not an Earth shattering revelation, but just a wake up call to the difference in views.
Hell, maybe it was somebody from my family.
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No. I guess I should have clarified that. There are gay folks that move there because it's more accepted. But a lot are native. My wife is from the Bay area. She has six gay people in her family. Most of her frineds families have gay people in them. I'm from Texas, and do not have any gay members in my family(that we know of). Coincidence?
I'm guessing you took BEP's statistics class.
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Genetic and epigenetic similarity

Monozygotic twins are genetically nearly identical and they are always the same sex unless there has been a mutation during development. The children of monozygotic twins test genetically as half-siblings (or full siblings, if a pair of monozygotic twins reproduces with another pair or with the same person), rather than first cousins. Identical twins do not have the same fingerprints, due to the fact that even in a small space inside the womb, people have contact with different parts of this environment, which gives small variations in the same digital, making them unique.[20]Monozygotic twins always have different*phenotypes. Normally due to an environmental factor or the deactivation of different X chromosomes in female monozygotic twins, and in some extremely rare cases, due to*aneuploidy, twins may express different sexual*phenotypes, normally from an XXY*Klinefelter syndrome*zygote splitting unevenly.[21][22][23]Although monozygotic twins are genetically very similar, a study of 92 pairs of monozygotic twins,*carried out in November of 2012, has found that monozygotic twins acquire hundreds of genetic differences early in fetal development, due to mutations (or copy errors) taking place in the DNA of each twin after the splitting of the embryo. It is estimated that, on average, a set of monozygotic twins will have about 360 genetic differences that occurred early in fetal development.Another cause of difference between monozygotic twins is*epigenetic modification, caused by differing environmental influences throughout their lives, which affects which genes are switched on or off. A study of 80 pairs of monozygotic twins ranging in age from three to 74 showed that the youngest twins have relatively few*epigenetic*differences. The number of epigenetic differences increases with age. Fifty-year-old twins had over three times the epigenetic difference of three-year-old twins. Twins who had spent their lives apart (such as those adopted by two different sets of parents at birth) had the greatest difference.[24]*However, certain characteristics become more alike as twins age, such as IQ and personality. This phenomenon illustrates the influence of genetics in many aspects of human characteristics and behavior.Interesting if it were sound science, but I doubt it is.
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...you just made your choice.
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Well look at it this way.

There are more and more gay men/women in this country than there ever was before. Large major cities esp are just flooded with these people.

The gay/lesbian population aren't the ones who are reproducing in this country. They usually adopt....very few do the surrogate thing etc. Yet the number of gays/lesbians continue to rise at an almost exponential rate within the last 30-40 yrs. If being gay was "genetic" then that particular mutation in the genetic/hormonal makeup would eventually die off, because there's not enough of them to reproduce. You'd see a decline in the number of gays if it was genetic.
Yes. Social acceptance has nothing to do with the rate of openly gay persons in the past.
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Well look at it this way.

There are more and more gay men/women in this country than there ever was before. Large major cities esp are just flooded with these people.

The gay/lesbian population aren't the ones who are reproducing in this country. They usually adopt....very few do the surrogate thing etc. Yet the number of gays/lesbians continue to rise at an almost exponential rate within the last 30-40 yrs. If being gay was "genetic" then that particular mutation in the genetic/hormonal makeup would eventually die off, because there's not enough of them to reproduce. You'd see a decline in the number of gays if it was genetic.
Also. Genetic does not mean hereditary.
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I understand the history that has lead to SF becoming the gay "capital" it has become. That doesn't affect what I said at all. My point was that being the way it is today, it's accecpted, and heavily promoted to extent over there. That has an affect on the youth in the area. They( more than kids in other areas of the country) see and hear the culture being celebrated on a regular basis. It may sway the more vulnerable kids to gravitate towards it.
San Francisco is not the gayest city in America. In fact, according to census information Austin is gayer than San Fran.

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