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Old 08-17-2013, 11:01 AM  
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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated.

“No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other.

“These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:38 PM   #31
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Well, this took about 10 seconds to discredit.

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[Dr.] Whitehead is a member of the discredited group NARTH (National Organization for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality). No one in the scientific community takes that organization seriously because it pushes "reparative therapy" - the false notion that homosexuality is a condition which can be changed.

According to Truth Wins Out:

NARTH relies on outdated studies and frequently confuses stereotypes with science. Dr. Nicolosi, for example, often tells audiences that people are gay because they have a rift with a same-sex parent or a have domineering opposite sex parent. It has been decades since any serious scientific body subscribed to these views and there is no contemporary research to uphold these anachronistic theories. Yet, NARTH’ co-founder Dr. Joseph Nicolosi repeats the empty mantra, “We advise fathers, if you don’t hug your sons, some other man will.”

. . . NARTH also has bizarre theories, such as encouraging male clients who drink Gatorade and call their friends “dude,” because this will supposedly make them more masculine. Dr. Nicolosi also espouses the bizarre idea that, “Non-homosexual men who experience defeat and failure may also experience homosexual fantasies or dreams.”

In 2006, NARTH had a meltdown after two major controversies. In the first, psychiatrist Joseph Berger, MD, a member of their “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a paper encouraging students to “ridicule” gender variant children. “I suggest, indeed, letting children who wish go to school in clothes of the opposite sex–but not counseling other children to not tease them or hurt their feelings,” Dr. Berger wrote on NARTH’s website. “On the contrary, don’t interfere, and let the other children ridicule the child who has lost that clear boundary between play-acting at home and the reality needs of the outside world. Maybe, in this way, the child will re-establish that necessary boundary.”

In the second controversy, Gerald Schoenwolf, PhD, also a member of NARTH’s “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a polemic on the group’s website that seemed to justify slavery.

Two years ago, a member of NARTH's board, George Rekers, had to resign after being caught coming from a European vacation with a male escort.

But even without your citation of NARTH, your entire claim about a "gay gene" is merely a tactic for you to attempt to control the argument.

As far as I know, no gay equality group has ever pushed the notion of a gay gene. Also, no legitimate scientific body has ever said there was a gay gene, just like no scientific body ever said that there was a "heterosexual gene."

However, several legitimate medical bodies have all said that reparative therapy - the idea that homosexuality can be changed - is not necessarily a credible idea. According to the site Religious Tolerance:

Just the Facts Coalition -- a group of 13 professional associations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers and National Education Association jointly issued a document in 1999 titled: "Just the facts about sexual orientation." The document was updated in 2008. They expressed concern about harassment of gay and lesbian youth, condemned reparative therapy as potentially harmful and of little or no effectiveness, and describe transformational ministries as representing only one part of Christianity -- those faith groups which view homosexuality as outside God's will, and incompatible with Christianity. They cite other denominations as supporting equal rights, and protection against discrimination, for gays and lesbians.
TL;DR: Unsurprisingly, Clay used a biased source with refutable findings.

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Old 08-17-2013, 02:40 PM   #32
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Anecdotal, but I know of a situation where two out of three siblings (man and woman) as gay and lesbian.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:43 PM   #33
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Probably afraid of being lynched?

Stop being so old-fashioned. Maybe that would have happened a hundred years ago, but not today. Today they would drag them behind pickups.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:46 PM   #34
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Stop being so old-fashioned. Maybe that would have happened a hundred years ago, but not today. Today they would drag them behind pickups.
or burn them in effigy in donkey land.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:46 PM   #35
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...you just made your choice.
What are you talking about? Even if I WANTED to be gay, I couldnt. I literally do not have a choice, to be gay. I suspect it's the same for many gays. There are many many gay ppl that would want nothing more than to like the opposite sex, but they just aren't attracted to them.

BUT BUT BUT GOD SAWYS THEY CANT BE THE GHEY!!
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:52 PM   #36
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What are you talking about? Even if I WANTED to be gay, I couldnt. I literally do not have a choice, to be gay. I suspect it's the same for many gays. There are many many gay ppl that would want nothing more than to like the opposite sex, but they just aren't attracted to them.
I'm just glad time does the cleansing of this type of thinking for us.
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Old 08-17-2013, 03:11 PM   #37
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Wth??? Who would have thought clays twin brother was actually straight???
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I'm just glad time does the cleansing of this type of thinking for us.
Was your coming out difficult?
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I've given a lot of thought to the topic of lesbian twins. It's nothing I can really share, though.
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Well, this took about 10 seconds to discredit.



TL;DR: Unsurprisingly, Clay used a biased source with refutable findings.

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On top of that, the site Clay linked to is an overtly Christian "news" website. Huh, can't imagine why they'd be pushing the "homosexuality is a choice (and a sin)" angle.

Sorry Clay, but you should probably stick to football.
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I've given a lot of thought to the topic of lesbian twins. It's nothing I can really share, though.
Pics or gtfo.
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You wanna know how it's not genetic? Look at places like San Francisco. Why are there more gay people there than in other areas? It's promoted over there.....it's almost become a lifestyle choice.
Sure there are people who chose to be bisexual, chose wanton hedonism. But we are talking about the people who knew from elementary school, from birth that they were different, liked the same sex.

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On top of that, the site Clay linked to is an overtly Christian "news" website. Huh, can't imagine why they'd be pushing the "homosexuality is a choice (and a sin)" angle.

Sorry Clay, but you should probably stick to football.


I don't really agree with the author. I just think it's an interesting topic. And I like a good controversial topic. I'm also not Christian.
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I think for most it is genetic, but some choose it. It's weird though when some people have a fit when you say that it's a choice for some.
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