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Old 08-17-2013, 11:01 AM  
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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated.

“No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other.

“These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:10 PM   #46
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nonsense -- identical twins don't die the same day, they aren't absolutely identical.

it's like saying if one twin dies in a plane crash the other will too, because, you know, they make identical decisions.
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:21 PM   #47
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:23 PM   #48
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With the advent of gene mapping it seems that a "genetic" causation of homosexuallity would have been easily determined. I think at this time it's just a nice buzzword for the gheys to use to push their agendas
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:26 PM   #49
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:36 PM   #50
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:37 PM   #51
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There is no way being queer is a choice. If someone put a gun to my head, said okay you have to be gay now, you have to ram that dude in the pooper. I physically COULD NOT do it no matter how much I "wanted" or "needed" to. They'd have to shoot me. It would just be hanging there all limp. I don't know how that is difficult for anybody to understand. It's clearly not a choice, whether they were born gay or not is debatable, but it's NOT A CHOICE.
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Not only that, but WHY IN THE HELL would anyone CHOOSE to be gay? Why would anyone choose to be hated, mocked, ridiculed, discriminated against, and often beat up or killed?

It makes ZERO sense. But it's a helluva lot easier to hate, mock, ridicule, beat up and kill gay people if you rationalize it by saying "Well, he asked for it, because he CHOSE to be gay".

I have a nephew who is gay. It was pretty obvious for the last 10 years or so that he is gay (he just came out of the closet an age 22). He is also very socially awkward and unhappy. He did not choose to be that way. He just is.
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:39 PM   #52
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Not only that, but WHY IN THE HELL would anyone CHOOSE to be gay? Why would anyone choose to be hated, mocked, ridiculed, discriminated against, and often beat up or killed.

It makes ZERO sense. But it's a helluva lot easier to hate, mock, ridicule, beat up and kill gay people if you rationalize it by saying "Well, he asked for it, because he CHOSE to be gay".

I have a nephew who is gay. It was pretty obvious for the last 10 years or so that he is gay (he just came out of the closet an age 22). He is also very socially awkward and unhappy. He did not choose to be that way. He just is.

Maybe they choose to be gay because they're really attracted to men. That would make it a lot easier choice.
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:54 PM   #53
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I don't really agree with the author. I just think it's an interesting topic. And I like a good controversial topic. I'm also not Christian.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:07 PM   #54
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According to 2012 election exit polls, 5% of voters were gay. In California where you'd think the portion would be much higher, it basically wasn't: only 6%. The gay numbers in the exits seemed to be fairly evenly distributed.
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According to 2012 election exit polls, 5% of voters were gay. In California where you'd think the portion would be much higher, it basically wasn't: only 6%. The gay numbers in the exits seemed to be fairly evenly distributed.
I wonder if there is a Shy Tory factor in those exit polls.
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and often beat up or killed?

I know you don't really believe gays in America are often beat up, let alone killed. I know you were using hyperbole.
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I wonder if there is a Shy Tory factor in those exit polls.
Doubtful. Gallup reports that 3.4% of Americans are gay:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/sp...tify-lgbt.aspx
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I have a nephew who is gay. It was pretty obvious for the last 10 years or so that he is gay (he just came out of the closet an age 22). He is also very socially awkward and unhappy. He did not choose to be that way. He just is.
It's way past time for all of society, even the ones in here, to just accept they are they way they are. The "gay" can't be preached or beaten out of them. We have lost too many people that could have made a difference in our society to being gay.

Allen turing broke the enigma code. Built the first computer. Developed a way to measure intelligence on a computer all within 5 years post war. He saved millions of lives, what did he get in return? Since he was gay, he got his brain scrambled by the government to cure the "gay".

Think about what we missed out, the discoveries his brian could have made in the next 40 years. What we missed trying to cure the "gay". He may have been another einstein. But we will never know, because he was gay.
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It's way past time for all of society, even the ones in here, to just accept they are they way they are. The "gay" can't be preached or beaten out of them. We have lost too many people that could have made a difference in our society to being gay.

Allen turing broke the enigma code. Built the first computer. Developed a way to measure intelligence on a computer all within 5 years post war. He saved millions of lives, what did he get in return? Since he was gay, he got his brain scrambled by the government to cure the "gay".

Think about what we missed out, the discoveries his brian could have made in the next 40 years. What we missed trying to cure the "gay". He may have been another einstein. But we will never know, because he was gay.
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