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Old 08-17-2013, 11:01 AM  
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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated.

“No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other.

“These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:29 PM   #61
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:15 PM   #62
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:40 PM   #63
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I know you don't really believe gays in America are often beat up, let alone killed. I know you were using hyperbole.
What's your definition of "often"? If something happens every day, is that "often"?

In 2011, the FBI reported 1,572 hate crime victims targeted based on a sexual orientation bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._United_States

That's an average of 4.3 attacks on gay people every single day. That sounds pretty often to me, and I don't think it's hyperbole to point it out.
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:50 PM   #64
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Sure there are people who chose to be bisexual, chose wanton hedonism. But we are talking about the people who knew from elementary school, from birth that they were different, liked the same sex.

Are you really that stupid?
No, I'm not that stupid. I should have said from the get go that I do believe some folks are born that way, but I also believe that others have made it a lifestyle choice in places like San Fran where it is celebrated. I'm not going to be convinced otherwise. I should also put it out there that I have no problem with homosexuality at all. I just want folks to be happy. If that does it for them, then go for it.
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:52 PM   #65
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What's your definition of "often"? If something happens every day, is that "often"?

In 2011, the FBI reported 1,572 hate crime victims targeted based on a sexual orientation bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._United_States

That's an average of 4.3 attacks on gay people every single day. That sounds pretty often to me, and I don't think it's hyperbole to point it out.

Hilarious logic.
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Old 08-17-2013, 08:08 PM   #66
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Hilarious logic.
How is it hilarious? Something that happens multiple times every day isn't "often"?

Are you in denial? Does it hurt your agenda if you admit that hate crimes against gays occur on a regular basis?
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:14 PM   #67
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I also believe that others have made it a lifestyle choice in places like San Fran where it is celebrated. I'm not going to be convinced otherwise.
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I should also put it out there that I have no problem with homosexuality at all. I just want folks to be happy. If that does it for them, then go for it.
This sounds like the "I'm not a racist, I have a black friend" argument.

A closed mind is an ugly sight.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:45 PM   #68
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How is it hilarious? Something that happens multiple times every day isn't "often"?

Are you in denial? Does it hurt your agenda if you admit that hate crimes against gays occur on a regular basis?
What exactly is "my agenda"? I'd be curious to know.


Yes, your logic is hilarious and foolish. A nation of perhaps 15 million gays and only 1,572 are attacked per year? That's 1 in 9,541. The overall US rate for aggravated assault is far greater at 1 in 414:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...tables/table-1
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This sounds like the "I'm not a racist, I have a black friend" argument.

A closed mind is an ugly sight.
lol...whatever, dude.
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According to 2012 election exit polls, 5% of voters were gay. In California where you'd think the portion would be much higher, it basically wasn't: only 6%. The gay numbers in the exits seemed to be fairly evenly distributed.
Not in Texas though. Family members aren't gay in Texas.
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You wanna know how it's not genetic? Look at places like San Francisco. Why are there more gay people there than in other areas? It's promoted over there.....it's almost become a lifestyle choice.
Why are there more in SF? Because many of them move there to get away from homophobes like you.
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Old 08-18-2013, 01:59 AM   #72
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I think for most it is genetic, but some choose it. It's weird though when some people have a fit when you say that it's a choice for some.
It's typically the same anti God bigots.
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This sounds like the "I'm not a racist, I have a black friend" argument.

A closed mind is an ugly sight.
Saying "others have made it a lifestyle choice" is closed minded and ugly?
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This sounds like the "I'm not a racist, I have a black friend" argument.

A closed mind is an ugly sight.
Open your mind. There's nothing wrong with that argument.
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