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Old 08-17-2013, 11:01 AM  
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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated.

“No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other.

“These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
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Old 08-18-2013, 11:09 AM   #91
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They're probably born that way but this argument doesn't matter. The real issue is how the Democrats are trying to create yet another "victim group" to add to their voting rolls. And if society is going to allow this new victim group to be granted special (un-constitutional) benefits i.e. affirmative action, quotas, etc etc.


That's really the issue. And we all know what the Democrats want to do.
I think that's definitely one of the issues and I agree with you on it.

But there is another issue and that is the issue of how our society should deal with homosexuality. Should we treat it as taboo? Should we tolerate it as long as it's practiced clandestinely? Or should we accept it as an open lifestyle? And no matter where you come down on that spectrum, there are all kinds of details that need to be resolved at the legislative (as opposed to Constitutional) level.
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Old 08-18-2013, 11:21 AM   #92
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Yes there is.

We are not discussing those who chose to be bisexual. "Chose" to swing both ways. Those people have a right to do whatever they want in the provacy of their own bedrooms without anyone passing laws to make it illegal.

But, we are not talking about them. We are talking about the ones who have been gay since birth. Who just want to love who they love just like anyone else.

Brainaic laid out why no one would "chose" to be gay. It's just an attempt to not be labeled a homophobe.
Two things:

1. When I said there's nothing wrong with that argument, I was actually talking about people who defend themselves from accusations of racism by pointing out that they have black friends. Having a black friend doesn't prove you're not racist, but it is evidence that you aren't. It sure doesn't prove you are racist, which is how you seem to view it and how it's all too often used to criticize the person who says he has black friends.

2. McFly said he believes some people were born gay and others choose a gay lifestyle. That sounds pretty open minded to me. You, on the other hand, seem threatened by that degree of open mindedness and want to define away the choosers so that you can maintain the pure idea that homosexuality can not be a choice.
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Old 08-18-2013, 11:45 AM   #93
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I think a huge majority of gays are born that way. I do think some choose it. And a slight few are into abuse, like the women who keeps choosing the drunken wife beater(taking it up the ass).
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Old 08-18-2013, 12:05 PM   #94
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Two things:

1. When I said there's nothing wrong with that argument, I was actually talking about people who defend themselves from accusations of racism by pointing out that they have black friends. Having a black friend doesn't prove you're not racist, but it is evidence that you aren't. It sure doesn't prove you are racist, which is how you seem to view it and how it's all too often used to criticize the person who says he has black friends.
I agree that such an argument does not prove one to be a racist. However, in most cases, there isn't correlation between whether one has black friends and whether that same person holds racial biases. Therefore the evidential value of this argument is weak. This is the reason that the argument is ridiculed and even considered as further evidence of a lack of sensitivity on the part of the person who forwards it.

http://ideas.time.com/2012/04/09/the...black-defense/
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Everyone holds some sort of bias. It can be overcome if faced. Imho the biggest issue is the refusal to admit the truth.
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Old 08-18-2013, 12:22 PM   #96
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Sure there are people who chose to be bisexual, chose wanton hedonism. But we are talking about the people who knew from elementary school, from birth that they were different, liked the same sex.

Are you really that stupid?
wonton hedonism, now you're talking...
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Old 08-18-2013, 12:26 PM   #98
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We have overpopulation as it is... if people want to do same-sex activities... it pulls them out of the gene pool and they will have less kids, leading to less population.

Back in the biblical days, they had a small population, so small that Abraham had many wives that he would bang to increase the population.

Why can't I have multiple wives in 2013? It's an outrage. They allow it in the Bible.

I want more bitches, dammit!!
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We have overpopulation as it is... if people want to do same-sex activities... it pulls them out of the gene pool and they will have less kids, leading to less population.

Back in the biblical days, they had a small population, so small that Abraham had many wives that he would bang to increase the population.

Why can't I have multiple wives in 2013? It's an outrage. They allow it in the Bible.

I want more bitches, dammit!!
Why the hell would you want that?
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Why the hell would you want that?
Well, maybe ONE of the wives would actually be a good cook!

I'd keep my blonde wife and add a couple hot asian wives... a black wife... a latino wife... add another brunette in there, somewhere.

I would only want 5-6 wives or so... not a huge harem. :-D
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Who cares? i'll never understand why people get so worked up about teh gays.

Nature? Nurture?... who cares.
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Old 08-18-2013, 01:39 PM   #103
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i'll never understand why people get so worked up about teh gays.
Because you're not a religious nut.
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Because you're not a religious nut.
The zealots who cant leave this issue alone should just let God handle the judging, its not their place.
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Well, maybe ONE of the wives would actually be a good cook!

I'd keep my blonde wife and add a couple hot asian wives... a black wife... a latino wife... add another brunette in there, somewhere.

I would only want 5-6 wives or so... not a huge harem. :-D
heh. Better watch out, one or more might be good house keepers.
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