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Old 08-19-2013, 09:50 PM  
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Kansas School Celebrates Islam. How 'bout that?

Lefty religion haters like many here will go nuts over Jesus being mentioned in a school. And they will defend this bullshit.

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Parents at a Wichita, Kan. elementary school were shocked to discover a giant wall display inside the building promoting the five pillars of Islam.

The large exhibit was erected before the start of the school year as part of a religion component being taught at Minneha Core Knowledge Magnet School, a school district spokesperson told Fox News.

“The bulletin board that originally caused the concern does represent the 5 Pillars of Islam — in a historical context of their studies,” the spokesperson said.

The district said the photograph of the bulletin board is misleading because it is “without context.”

“There is also a painting of the Last Supper hanging in the school as part of the study of art and the Renaissance period,” the spokesperson said. “A photo take of a bulletin board without context is misleading, and some have taken it out of context without having all the information.”

Nevertheless, the school has removed the Islamic bulletin board until the subject matter is taught later this fall.

School officials said the study of Islam is part of their “Core Knowledge” magnet curriculum.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:07 PM   #106
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Except I did not single out Osama. Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran were included, and that was just off of the top of my head.

Any religion can be manipulated. My point is that the radicals who are manipulating Islam are the ones who are driving the bus right now, while the moderate Muslim majority seems to be content to sit on the bus and do nothing about it.
Maybe that is where we disagree. You see it as content. I see it as SCARED.......
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:10 PM   #107
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You have got to be kidding me. The Roman Catholics would kill in the very same fashion that the extremists of Islam do today.

They both would retard the meaning of what is actually written in the Bible/Quran to fit their ideals to support their ****ed up inner workings.

there is no difference. The only difference is that now days people can speak up about it, and fight against it, and 2000 years ago would of gotten you and you entire family wiped out and if not that, at the very least shunned.

This is a ridiculous comparison of how to say oh, modern day Islam is built on violence. That's the exact ignorance of WHY it needs to be explained.

There is nothing violent about Islam as a religion. Its extremist preying on the ignorant. It is the extremist convincing CHILDREN that the Quran states they have to hate infidels, and kill them. That is what Mohammed is teaching.

Most of the extremist cant even read. They are taught how to hate. That's the problem.

And clearly, no offense patteau your misunderstanding of what the Islam foundation is built upon, just caused you to make a failed assumption that a majority of the ignorant world is being fed.

Islam is in no way shape or form violent.
I know that that's the PC line and that you want to believe it, but it's an ahistorical view.

I didn't say anything about modern Islam being built on violence. I was talking about the historical origins of the two religions. The Koran was "revealed" during the 7th century when Mohammed and his Islamic descendants were conquering lands from Persia to North Africa. It was the religion of a violent, expansionist people who gave their conquests the option of conversion or slavery/death.

The New Testament portion of the Christian Bible, on the other hand, was written sometime in the 1st and 2nd centuries when Christians were still a persecuted minority and had no power other than the power of persuasion to spread their religion.

Both religions have been held dear by violent oppressors and by gentle peace-seekers at various times since their inceptions, but that doesn't change the original nature of their foundational texts. And it doesn't change the fact that today the number of followers of violent interpretations of Islam far exceeds the number of followers of violent interpretations of Christianity. There most certainly is a difference both in the formation of the two religions and in the profile of their followers today.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:10 PM   #108
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And the Romans did stomp around taking over countries doing the same thing using the Catholic Church as their permission slip?

Like I said. Any religion can be perverted and used as a manipulation.

Christianity is no different.
Well, technically, the Roman Empire was established long before Constantine became a Christian. Romans persecuted the early Christians just as much as the persecuted the lands they conquered.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:13 PM   #109
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I know that that's the PC line and that you want to believe it, but it's an ahistorical view.

I didn't say anything about modern Islam being built on violence. I was talking about the historical origins of the two religions. The Koran was "revealed" during the 7th century when Mohammed and his Islamic descendants were conquering lands from Persia to North Africa. It was the religion of a violent, expansionist people who gave their conquests the option of conversion or slavery/death.

The New Testament portion of the Christian Bible, on the other hand, was written sometime in the 1st and 2nd centuries when Christians were still a persecuted minority and had no power other than the power of persuasion to spread their religion.

Both religions have been held dear by violent oppressors and by gentle peace-seekers at various times since their inceptions, but that doesn't change the original nature of their foundational texts. And it doesn't change the fact that today the number of followers of violent interpretations of Islam far exceeds the number of followers of violent interpretations of Christianity. There most certainly is a difference both in the formation of the two religions and in the profile of their followers today.
I can agree with most of that. But then again, that brings me back to Christianity being used in violence as well. You are talking about the 7th century. Well in the 18th century, Christians were using the Bible as justification for wiping out the Indians, and for fighting off the British.

I don't have a problem with either. I am myself a Christian, who just spent a lot of time studying all religions and doing a lot of studying in Psychology and Philosophy. I just find it all unique.
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And the Romans did stomp around taking over countries doing the same thing using the Catholic Church as their permission slip?

Like I said. Any religion can be perverted and used as a manipulation.

Christianity is no different.
Again, this is the same failure in logic and context. Yes, ANY religion can be perverted. No one is arguing that.

You are missing the entire point. Islam is FOUNDED UPON brutality and conquest. That is a MAJOR difference between it and Christianity.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:14 PM   #111
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Well, technically, the Roman Empire was established long before Constantine became a Christian. Romans persecuted the early Christians just as much as the persecuted the lands they conquered.
Oh, completely aware. That is completely true as well. But the early Catholic Church was some of the most merciless tyrants in history.....
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Again, this is the same failure in logic and context. Yes, ANY religion can be perverted. No one is arguing that.

You are missing the entire point. Islam is FOUNDED UPON brutality and conquest. That is a MAJOR difference between it and Christianity.
Well if you take the context of "religion" out of it, early man kind was built on taking over and conquering. So I guess maybe more than being a "religious" issue, its more of a humanistic/animalistic issue.

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Unless those kids were walking out with Qurans, prayer beads, and prayer mats, they weren't teaching the kids to FOLLOW Mohammed.
No, that's wrong too. It's laughable that you'd think that's the only way in which they could be teaching Islam in a way that's objectionable.

For example, they could be trying to peddle the ahistorical, politically correct bs that you were advancing in post 68. That would be objectionable.
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No, that's wrong too. It's laughable that you'd think that's the only way in which they could be teaching Islam in a way that's objectionable.

For example, they could be trying to peddle the ahistorical, politically correct bs that you were advancing in post 68. That would be objectionable.
Not necessarily at all.

I think there is a way to teach someone ABOUT Islam, and then there is TEACHING Islam.

I have learned about Christianity, Buddism, Hinduism, Islam, Confusionism, Daoism, without ever of practicing any of them except Christianity. Having a fundamental understanding of something is one thing. Practicing it is a completely different thing. Don't you think?
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Im at a loss for words.......

I found some. Perhaps you need to understand the fundamental differences between, EXTREMIST, and Religion.

Islam as it was intended is NOT violent.

It was perverted by EXTREMISTS like Osama Bin Laden that preyed on the scared, the uneducated and the weak.

You are further proof why the basic parameters of Islam need to be taught so people like yourself can understand the difference between Islam, and TERRORISM.
Whatever Islam is today, one thing you can't say about it is that it was intended to be non violent. It was intended to unify and guide a violent, expansionist group of people and justify their subjugation and slaughter of non-believers. The followers of Mohammed were by no means the only violent people of the 7th century, but that they were and their holy book was not intended to convince them to settle down and become peaceful, ecumenical citizens of the known world.
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Not necessarily at all.

I think there is a way to teach someone ABOUT Islam, and then there is TEACHING Islam.

I have learned about Christianity, Buddism, Hinduism, Islam, Confusionism, Daoism, without ever of practicing any of them except Christianity. Having a fundamental understanding of something is one thing. Practicing it is a completely different thing. Don't you think?
IF Islam(either it's history or founding tenets) was taught objectively the left would be in an absolute UPROAR about the class being an anti-Islam smear campaign.

To be clear here, I'm not some Christian zealot in any way shape or form. I am however an "accuracy" zealot.
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Not necessarily at all.

I think there is a way to teach someone ABOUT Islam, and then there is TEACHING Islam.

I have learned about Christianity, Buddism, Hinduism, Islam, Confusionism, Daoism, without ever of practicing any of them except Christianity. Having a fundamental understanding of something is one thing. Practicing it is a completely different thing. Don't you think?
I agree that there are ways to teach about Islam without teaching Islam. We seem to disagree on what those ways are though.
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The early Roman Catholics were some of the most violent perverters of the Bible.
Which early Roman Catholics are you talking about? I assume you're talking about Roman Catholics who came along hundreds of years after the religion and it's core writings were established. Am I wrong?
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I can agree with most of that. But then again, that brings me back to Christianity being used in violence as well. You are talking about the 7th century. Well in the 18th century, Christians were using the Bible as justification for wiping out the Indians, and for fighting off the British.

I don't have a problem with either. I am myself a Christian, who just spent a lot of time studying all religions and doing a lot of studying in Psychology and Philosophy. I just find it all unique.
I completely agree that there have been centuries worth of examples of Christians committing violence in the name of their religion. I also agree that there are lots of Muslims today who are peace loving.

What I don't agree with is that Islam was originally intended to be a religion of peace (except to the extent that peace could be achieved by conquering the world and converting or killing all the infidels). Modern man has, in many cases, reinterpreted both of those major religions to fit a more peaceful, civilized time. Unfortunately, there are a large number of Islamic people who resent their lot in life and find comfort in a more authentic version of Mohammed's Islam and believe that it is the key to returning a faded glory. That's not currently the case in Christendom, Westboro Baptist notwithstanding.
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