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Old 08-21-2013, 01:05 PM  
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UPS DRopping Spouses From Insurance Coverage, Cites "Obamacare"

UPS to drop 15,000 spouses from health insurance, cites Obamacare

United Parcel Service plans to remove thousands of spouses from its medical plan because they are eligible for coverage elsewhere. The Atlanta-based shipping and logistics company points to the federal Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, as a big reason for the decision, reports Kaiser Health News. According to Kaiser, UPS told white-collar workers two months ago that 15,000 working spouses eligible for coverage by their own employers would be excluded from the UPS plan in 2014.

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Old 08-21-2013, 01:06 PM   #2
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:11 PM   #3
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It's funny. Within the discussions about legalizing gay marriage on here a few issues will pop up. Mostly about gay couples being given the same preferential treatments that heterosexual married couples receive. I wonder what will happen first, gay couples being given those benefits or those benefits being eliminated for all?
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:33 PM   #4
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It's funny. Within the discussions about legalizing gay marriage on here a few issues will pop up. Mostly about gay couples being given the same preferential treatments that heterosexual married couples receive. I wonder what will happen first, gay couples being given those benefits or those benefits being eliminated for all?

That is a very good question...
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:38 PM   #5
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This is the start of a trend we will see over the next few years. One of the big cost control measures in Obamacare is that it partially rolls back the incentives for businesses to give unionized employees so-called "cadillac" or "gold plated" health care plans.

Unions complained a lot about this in 2009 but ultimately supported Obamacare out of a sense of loyalty and hope they could change things later. Expect to see a lot of complaints and lobbying against this part of Obamacare by big unions in the coming year.

Congress shouldn't give in, though, its a good provision for controlling costs and it was also part of Paul Ryan's health care proposal.
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:39 PM   #6
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Old 08-21-2013, 02:02 PM   #7
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This is the start of a trend we will see over the next few years. One of the big cost control measures in Obamacare is that it partially rolls back the incentives for businesses to give unionized employees so-called "cadillac" or "gold plated" health care plans.

Unions complained a lot about this in 2009 but ultimately supported Obamacare out of a sense of loyalty and hope they could change things later. Expect to see a lot of complaints and lobbying against this part of Obamacare by big unions in the coming year.

Congress shouldn't give in, though, its a good provision for controlling costs and it was also part of Paul Ryan's health care proposal.
The thing is, as far as I know, insurance is supposed to get cheaper when a plan covers more and more people. Over time the averages play out and the plan takes advantage of the fact that people tend to be healthy more often than sick. You can argue about preventative care and whether it helps defray larger costs down the line, but preventative care is treated differently by the insurance companies and they will (to a degree) tailor individual policies even within the workforce of a specific company. So..if all that is true...why would a company want to eliminate participants in their sponsored plans other than to get out of paying a share of the premiums? I don't think this is necessarily a case of getting rid of a "gold plated" plan so much as just a company cutting corners with "Obamacare" giving them a reason to stop paying.
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I know of a hospital company (own 28 hospitals coast to coast, most in CA), that dropped spouses from the plan starting in 06. You can keep them on the plan at the cost of $200 per month.
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This is the start of a trend we will see over the next few years. One of the big cost control measures in Obamacare is that it partially rolls back the incentives for businesses to give unionized employees so-called "cadillac" or "gold plated" health care plans.

Unions complained a lot about this in 2009 but ultimately supported Obamacare out of a sense of loyalty and hope they could change things later. Expect to see a lot of complaints and lobbying against this part of Obamacare by big unions in the coming year.

Congress shouldn't give in, though, its a good provision for controlling costs and it was also part of Paul Ryan's health care proposal.
I think this is being done to reduce UPS's contribution to the health insurance plan only. They're only dropping spouses if they work somewhere else and are eligible for a health plan through their employer.
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The thing is, as far as I know, insurance is supposed to get cheaper when a plan covers more and more people. Over time the averages play out and the plan takes advantage of the fact that people tend to be healthy more often than sick. You can argue about preventative care and whether it helps defray larger costs down the line, but preventative care is treated differently by the insurance companies and they will (to a degree) tailor individual policies even within the workforce of a specific company. So..if all that is true...why would a company want to eliminate participants in their sponsored plans other than to get out of paying a share of the premiums? I don't think this is necessarily a case of getting rid of a "gold plated" plan so much as just a company cutting corners with "Obamacare" giving them a reason to stop paying.
I think you are possibly right, since there is a long term trend towards this sort of thing, and companies just might be saying "Obamacare!" as a sort of free pass on rolling back benefits.

But generally Obamacare does encourage this. Also, UPS is one of the largest employers in the country and dropping a subset of employee spouses shouldn't impact their ability to share risk efficiently. There are just rapidly diminishing returns here.
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