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Old 08-21-2013, 01:05 PM  
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UPS DRopping Spouses From Insurance Coverage, Cites "Obamacare"

UPS to drop 15,000 spouses from health insurance, cites Obamacare

United Parcel Service plans to remove thousands of spouses from its medical plan because they are eligible for coverage elsewhere. The Atlanta-based shipping and logistics company points to the federal Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, as a big reason for the decision, reports Kaiser Health News. According to Kaiser, UPS told white-collar workers two months ago that 15,000 working spouses eligible for coverage by their own employers would be excluded from the UPS plan in 2014.

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Old 08-22-2013, 01:40 AM   #46
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For the moment.

Of course, this system was designed to fail so we can expect more companies to do it and with a wider swathe
The national one payer system will be a big part of the 2016 presidential election.....With in 5-10 years we will have the one payer system. Obamacare will be so intolerable to people and the masses will scream for the national plan through the gov't.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:50 AM   #47
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The national one payer system will be a big part of the 2016 presidential election.....With in 5-10 years we will have the one payer system. Obamacare will be so intolerable to people and the masses will scream for the national plan through the gov't.
That was the initial idea, IIRC.

Look guys, every President from Truman to Carter wanted National Healthcare. Eisenhower, Kennedy and even Nixon.

Health insurance in the US has only been around since the 1940's. Health insurance only existed in some form since the dawn of the Industrial Age. Blue Cross USED to be non-profit.

It's time, IMO, that healthcare be a HUMAN entity instead of a CORPORATE entity. Anyone that's had to deal with insurance companies over large and even stupidly small things would likely agree.

If you don't agree, get sick and call your insurance company and ask why a certain procedure wasn't covered and why you had to pay out of pocket for coverage.

Good luck.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:04 AM   #48
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Hmm. I took it mean dual income households in which insurance is offered by both employers.
I believe Dane is correct here.

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Old 08-22-2013, 02:07 AM   #49
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I RARELY wade into this filth ridden cesspool but did ANY of you people actually READ the article?
You're joking right?

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Why read something before supporting it or going bat shit crazy over it?
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:09 AM   #50
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That was the initial idea, IIRC.

Look guys, every President from Truman to Carter wanted National Healthcare. Eisenhower, Kennedy and even Nixon.

Health insurance in the US has only been around since the 1940's. Health insurance only existed in some form since the dawn of the Industrial Age. Blue Cross USED to be non-profit.

It's time, IMO, that healthcare be a HUMAN entity instead of a CORPORATE entity. Anyone that's had to deal with insurance companies over large and even stupidly small things would likely agree.

If you don't agree, get sick and call your insurance company and ask why a certain procedure wasn't covered and why you had to pay out of pocket for coverage.

Good luck.
Oh it definitely seems to be broken. I have seen my work-sponsored plans coming from (primarily) two employers slowly degrade over the last 25 years or so. It started with no copay/no deductible/glasses once per year/dental/hearing including hearing aids once very five years/entire family coverage/paid for completely by my employer. Now it seems that I pay to get the privilege of being seen, and the insurance covers barely any of the actual costs of care in anything other than catastrophic circumstances. Maybe having a government run program can help to provide a baseline. I don't know. I distrust politicians, and I am generally unimpressed with their ability to get anything constructive done in an efficient manner. Still, a mandated baseline combined with unfettered competition amongst private providers on a national level might help.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:21 AM   #51
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Hmm. I took it mean dual income households in which insurance is offered by both employers.
Yes, you're right and I was mistaken. I was reading several of the articles and missed this point, here's one that states it quite clearly:

UPS did explain, in a FAQ section of its memo to employees, that "Since the Affordable Care Act requires employers to provide affordable coverage, we believe your spouse should be covered by their own employer just as UPS has a responsibility to offer coverage to you, our employee. Limiting plan eligibility is one way to manage ongoing health care costs, now and into the future, so that we can continue to provide affordable coverage for our employees."

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci...at.html?page=2


This is a good case in point of why it's necessary to read news from multiple sources. In the original article I linked it mentions "other sources", then a chunk of text about "Obamacare", then this piece:

According to Kaiser, UPS told white-collar workers two months ago that 15,000 working spouses eligible for coverage by their own employers would be excluded from the UPS plan in 2014.

Which I took to mean that UPS was implying that spouses could use Obamacare as an alternative, and that UPS was allowed to do this because the spouses were technically or theoretically able to be covered by their own employers anyway. So UPS had ample reason for the decision.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:06 AM   #52
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:16 AM   #53
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I feel so bad for all those Unionistas that voted for him.

It's breaking my heart.
Yeah, it's probably been covered, but the white collar jobs at UPS aren't part of the Teamsters.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:34 AM   #54
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I RARELY wade into this filth ridden cesspool but did ANY of you people actually READ the article?

UPS is no longer offering coverage for spouses who qualify for health insurance ELSEWHERE. Children dependents are still eligible.

Personally, I've often wondered why this hasn't been corporate policy. Back in the day, my wife's insurance coverage was far less than mine, so Paramount footed the bill for both of us.

In the long run, the idea is to have health coverage and if corporations such as UPS make policies like this, it's all good.
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I think this is being done to reduce UPS's contribution to the health insurance plan only. They're only dropping spouses if they work somewhere else and are eligible for a health plan through their employer.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:46 AM   #55
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University of Virginia dropping spouses, too:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...over-obamacare

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Old 08-22-2013, 01:06 PM   #56
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University of Virginia dropping spouses, too:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...over-obamacare

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That's a false narrative.

Why should a corporation automatically supply health care to people who already have access?
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:18 PM   #57
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That's a false narrative.

Why should a corporation automatically supply health care to people who already have access?
I'm a VFW so I get HC through the VA but my wife's job has a kickass Blue Cross Blue Shied family plan that I'm covered under.

So what you're saying is I don't get to choose between BCBS and the VA?
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The article I read states that it's something the company has wanted to do for quite some time. Sounds like the Affordable Care Act is being used as a scapegoat, not a reason.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:39 PM   #59
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The article I read states that it's something the company has wanted to do for quite some time. Sounds like the Affordable Care Act is being used as a scapegoat, not a reason.
By the time the smoke clears on this entire obamaocare disaster, there will be even more American citizens without HC insurance than before 2008 (aggregate and percentage).

And those Citizens who are covered will be paying exponentially higher premiums and co-pays and will have far worse care and access.

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The article I read states that it's something the company has wanted to do for quite some time. Sounds like the Affordable Care Act is being used as a scapegoat, not a reason.
I'm reading a lot of comments elsewhere where people are asking about spouses who are not employed. Some responded by saying that it was only the spouses who had other jobs that got cut. That doesn't make sense to me. Will companies no longer have the option to cover spouses who have other jobs but can the ones who don't? Would people start having to prove to employers whether their spouse has a job or not?

I'm single, I purchased an individual plan that my company currently pays for. It was cheaper than what they were paying for me to be a part of the group plan (small group). This way, I can take it with me if I ever leave here. Anyway, the spouse coverage doesn't matter to me. At this rate, I'll probably be single forever. Still, I'd just like to understand....ya know, just in case.
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