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Old 08-21-2013, 01:05 PM  
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UPS DRopping Spouses From Insurance Coverage, Cites "Obamacare"

UPS to drop 15,000 spouses from health insurance, cites Obamacare

United Parcel Service plans to remove thousands of spouses from its medical plan because they are eligible for coverage elsewhere. The Atlanta-based shipping and logistics company points to the federal Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, as a big reason for the decision, reports Kaiser Health News. According to Kaiser, UPS told white-collar workers two months ago that 15,000 working spouses eligible for coverage by their own employers would be excluded from the UPS plan in 2014.

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Old 08-22-2013, 03:42 PM   #61
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Health insurance is touted as a benefit. Part of your compensation package alongside wages.

If you had health insurance that was a better alternative to your spouse's, and your company suddenly takes that option away, they are effectively cutting the compensation you get for the work you do.

Who is ok with taking what amounts to a pay cut?
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:48 PM   #62
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Health insurance is touted as a benefit. Part of your compensation package alongside wages.

If you had health insurance that was a better alternative to your spouse's, and your company suddenly takes that option away, they are effectively cutting the compensation you get for the work you do.

Who is ok with taking what amounts to a pay cut?
Yes, that is true, but in a shitty economy with jobs hard to come by they can afford to take away benefits.
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:52 PM   #63
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I'm a VFW so I get HC through the VA but my wife's job has a kickass Blue Cross Blue Shied family plan that I'm covered under.

So what you're saying is I don't get to choose between BCBS and the VA?
That's right.

Why do you believe that your wife's employer should pay for your health insurance when you have access to health insurance elsewhere?
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:54 PM   #64
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Health insurance is touted as a benefit. Part of your compensation package alongside wages.

If you had health insurance that was a better alternative to your spouse's, and your company suddenly takes that option away, they are effectively cutting the compensation you get for the work you do.

Who is ok with taking what amounts to a pay cut?
It's all in the name of Capitalism, which makes it okay.

Right?
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:00 PM   #65
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It's all in the name of Capitalism, which makes it okay.

Right?
Ideally, yes.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:29 PM   #66
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The article I read states that it's something the company has wanted to do for quite some time. Sounds like the Affordable Care Act is being used as a scapegoat, not a reason.
A lot of businesses will be doing this. They are interested in profit. An easy way to increase the bottom line.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:32 PM   #67
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Boeing did this like 15 years ago.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:36 PM   #68
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A lot of businesses will be doing this. They are interested in profit. An easy way to increase the bottom line.
Yeah business has the upper hand. Particularly with regard to lower end jobs like UPS. And the people that choose to increase profits in this manner don't have to deal with the fallout of attracting a lower quality of employee.
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:37 AM   #69
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I don't doubt that they did it to cut costs and saw an opportunity to use Obamacare as an excuse. I also don't doubt that they anticipated additional costs due to Obamacare and it helped prompt their decision.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:14 AM   #70
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That's right.

Why do you believe that your wife's employer should pay for your health insurance when you have access to health insurance elsewhere?
Because she has to pay for family members. I already told her to take me off of it, but she told me it won't save us any money she still has to pay the same amount for my daughter, it's called the "family plan" and it covers all family members.

The family plan costs went up $1,000 bucks annually thanks to Obamaocare.

So that's another thousand bucks taken out of the US economy and given to Washington DC to flush down the toilet and run the nation further into a debt it already cannot pay back.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:25 AM   #71
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That's a false narrative.

Why should a corporation automatically supply health care to people who already have access?
There's no reason why they should unless they think it's the right business decision. What this really demonstrates, yet again, is the fraud that Obama committed when he told the American public that they'd be able to keep their current healthcare if they wanted to when, in fact, this law is designed to incentivize employers into dropping coverage in many cases and it causes some minimalist policies to take on additional coverages to become qualifying plans.
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By the time the smoke clears on this entire obamaocare disaster, there will be even more American citizens without HC insurance than before 2008 (aggregate and percentage).

And those Citizens who are covered will be paying exponentially higher premiums and co-pays and will have far worse care and access.

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I don't think there will be more without coverage, but I definitely think they'll be paying much higher rates.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:50 AM   #73
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I don't think there will be more without coverage, but I definitely think they'll be paying much higher rates.
I do. Kicking the spouses off the plan (legitimate reason or not) is just the beginning. In another year UPS employees will be booted off the plan too.

Employers are going to stop offering health care benefits ostensibly 'cos Obamaocare is going to cover them, except for one thing, Obamaocare is a Potemkin Village.

Alot of people are going to be in a no mans land in a year or so.

You'll see.
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I do. Kicking the spouses off the plan (legitimate reason or not) is just the beginning. In another year UPS employees will be booted off the plan too.

Employers are going to stop offering health care benefits ostensibly 'cos Obamaocare is going to cover them, except for one thing, Obamaocare is a Potemkin Village.

Alot of people are going to be in a no mans land in a year or so.

You'll see.
You might end up being right. We'll see.
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You might end up being right. We'll see.
Oh, I know I'm going to be right.

Obamaocare is ersatz. It's BS. It was never intended or implemented to actually provide health care or health insurance. It's sole purpose was/is to tax more money out of the private sector so the federal government can piss it away.

It's looting. That's all it is.

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