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Old 08-21-2013, 08:17 PM  
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Emergency Meeting of UN Sec Council as Syria kills @ 1000 incl children with Sarin

UN has 'strong concern' over reports of hundreds killed in Syria chemicals weapons attacks

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By Richard Engel, Alastair Jamieson and Ghazi Balkiz, NBC News
The U.N. Security Council said Wednesday it was necessary to clarify reports from Syria's opposition that hundreds of civilians – including many women and children – have been killed in chemical weapons attacks.
The council, however, stopped short of demanding a probe by U.N. investigators in Syria -- although said it welcomed U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon's calls for one.
"There is a strong concern among council members about the allegations and a general sense that there must be clarity on what happened and the situation must be followed closely," Argentina's U.N. ambassador, Maria Cristina Perceval said following the emergency meeting.


Activists and rebel fighters accused Syrian President Bashar Assad’s forces of firing chemical-tipped weapons into rebel-held areas near the capital, Damascus, in the early hours.
The Obama administration "strongly condemned" the reported use of the weapons which, if confirmed, would be by far the worst known use of poison gas during the country’s deadly civil war.

The White House called for Assad to allow an immediate and transparent U.N. investigation of the incident.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday that a U.N. team is on the ground in Syria to conduct the investigation and acknowledged that the United States does not have independent confirmation that chemical weapons were used.

“We are hopeful that the Assad regime will follow through on what they have claimed previously, that they are interested in a credible investigation that gets to the bottom of reports that chemical weapons have been used,” Earnest said.

Videos apparently showing the graphic and disturbing aftermath of the alleged attacks on the rebel-held eastern Damascus suburb of Ghouta were posted to social media but could not be independently verified. The clips showed children choking and vomiting, while adults writhed in agony.
State television denied the opposition claims, which it said were disseminated deliberately to distract United Nations chemical weapons experts who arrived in the country on Monday.

Musab abu Qutada, a spokesman for the local military council of the Free Syria Army, who is in the area near where the attacks took place, said the death toll had reached more than 1,200. NBC News could not verify the claim.
Several towns and villages to the east and north of the capital were attacked by surface-to-surface missiles beginning around 2 a.m. Wednesday (7 p.m. Tuesday ET), the rebel spokesman said.

Syrian activists inspect the bodies of people they say were killed by nerve gas in the Ghouta region near Damascus on Wednesday.

“The deceased and the wounded are in field hospitals,” he said in a Skype interview. “We have about 1,228 victims. We are in need of medicine. We are in need of medical staff.”
The “chemical bombardment” was so strong that doctors at the scene had also died from the effects of the gas, he said.
“There were some symptoms like numbing of the body, constricted pupils of the eye, foam coming out of the mouth, paleness of faces, shortness of breath," he said.
“The areas that were targeted were civilian areas, they are not military areas. They targeted women and children to apply pressure on the Free Syrian Army.”

The gas was heavy and sunk into basements, witnesses told NBC News. Some people lit tires on fire, hoping the smoke from the burning tires would offset the gas. The black smoke, however, only created more chaos and panic.
A doctor said some victims reported smelling a faint odor of insecticide at the time of the rocket attacks. Most of the victims were sleeping when the attacks took place.

The first rocket assaults on the eastern villages lasted roughly an hour; then, villages to the north began to be attacked in the same way -- surface-to-surface rockets that exploded to release a poison gas.

Conflicting death tolls from different sources could not immediately be reconciled by NBC News. Witness accounts are impossible to verify because Syria does not allow journalists to operate freely inside its borders.
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The opposition Local Coordination Committees in Syria put the death toll at more than 755, saying several areas had been hit by “shelling with poisonous gases.”

It said the areas hit included Ein Tarma and Zamalka in eastern Ghouta and Mouadamieh in western Ghouta.

Susan Ahmad, who lives just over one mile from the areas, described a smell in the air and reported having burning, red eyes and dizziness after the attacks.


“There is a very strange smell and it’s a very ugly one,” she told NBC News’ U.K. partner ITV News. “It’s nasty. You feel like there is something wrong in the air."

She added: “The death toll is likely to be higher and higher because don’t have enough [medicine] to save lives.”

Bayan Baker, a nurse at a field hospital in Douma, told Reuters that the death toll from the attack, collated from medical centers in the region, was 213.

"Many of the casualties are women and children. They arrived with their pupils dilated, cold limbs and foam in their mouths. The doctors say these are typical symptoms of nerve gas victims," she said.

NBC News' Charlene Gubash, Ammar Cheikhomar and Becky Bratu, ITV News' Fadah Jassem and Juliet Bremner, and Reuters contributed to this report.


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Old 08-22-2013, 02:19 PM   #61
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:20 PM   #62
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Sad, terrible sad. Children are full of awe, wonder, and innocence. I pray for the children and families affected by the terror going on over there. I don't think it is the role of the USA to intervene however. I'm guessing if Obama were gassing civilians in LA or something, it wouldn't even make the papers in Syria. Sad, but just not our job. We have enough problems protecting our own children here.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:21 PM   #63
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I think i could live with us being 1/4 of it as i think has been standard (same as budgetary percentage).

Syrian govt is making denials and saying all these videos are faked
Intel, drones, air support, fine. But not a single boot on the ground.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:22 PM   #64
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:27 PM   #65
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There is simply no situation in which the US wins if it gets involved. Best to let each side simply kill each other.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:56 PM   #66
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I wonder where Syria got the Sarin gas from.
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:03 PM   #67
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:15 PM   #69
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I'm a pretty patriotic guy but I was mentioning to my wife just the other day that if a draft was put back into place, and my oldest son got drafted, I'm not sure I wouldn't tell him to go to Canada for all the worth these wars have been worth over the past few decades...wouldn't want him dying for some political bullshit that never ended up making a difference anyway.
This is an example of why our country is weak. People going their own way when the going gets tough. War sucks and we don't involve ourselves in it lightly, but when we do we need to pull together or we can't expect to be able to make a difference. And the more incapable we are to fight a war, the more likely it is that we'll be invited against our will to join one.

The good news is that we aren't going to have a draft again unless the country is really in dire straits (or if radically liberal politicians manage to make equal exposure to service across socio-economic and racial lines trump national security).

No one wants their child to die. But no one wants their child to die so your child can hide safely in Canada either.
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:19 PM   #70
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I think a decade ago when the left was screaming about no wmd in Iraq several of us predicted a lot of the items were already smuggled into places like....Syria.


The problem is, the govt is capable of doing this, and the other bad guys...who will cut off the heads of strangers are sure capable of doing it to their own people to win support. Assholes across the board that aren't worth our money or blood.
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:50 PM   #71
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This is an example of why our country is weak. People going their own way when the going gets tough. War sucks and we don't involve ourselves in it lightly, but when we do we need to pull together or we can't expect to be able to make a difference. And the more incapable we are to fight a war, the more likely it is that we'll be invited against our will to join one.

The good news is that we aren't going to have a draft again unless the country is really in dire straits (or if radically liberal politicians manage to make equal exposure to service across socio-economic and racial lines trump national security).

No one wants their child to die. But no one wants their child to die so your child can hide safely in Canada either.
This would be a war of aggression. Why should me or my family to go and die in a war in which America will gain nothing and there is no threat to the country or populace at all?

This is one of the dangers of having a standing military, people want to use it. There is no greater waste of blood and treasure then war.
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:57 PM   #72
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This is an example of why our country is weak. People going their own way when the going gets tough. War sucks and we don't involve ourselves in it lightly, but when we do we need to pull together or we can't expect to be able to make a difference. And the more incapable we are to fight a war, the more likely it is that we'll be invited against our will to join one.

The good news is that we aren't going to have a draft again unless the country is really in dire straits (or if radically liberal politicians manage to make equal exposure to service across socio-economic and racial lines trump national security).

No one wants their child to die. But no one wants their child to die so your child can hide safely in Canada either.
Yeah, we shouldn't question the reasons for a war, we should just blow the **** out of people on the other side of the world whenever a bunch of shady politicians tell us to.

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Here's why your son goes: because it's your country. Because the country is run by the people that you and I elected, and if it's a mistake, then we go with it. Because if we each stood on our own and questioned every single decision, we'd never stand together as a country. Because you don't know as much as the leadership does. Because if your son runs to Canada, his neighbor is going to have to take up the slack and may end up eating a bullet.

But yes, you should question war. You should also question the s*** out of the government, vigorously and often. Our country was designed so that we can and should do exactly that, and it works. You - we - should question who we vote for, because when we vote, we are endorsing someone to decide when and how and if to send your son into combat, and therefore you should vote for someone who shares your view on that. That shady politician didn't inherit his position; he was put there by you.

The fact that only about half of the people in this country give enough of a s*** to vote on who sends our young men to war is pretty damn shameful, if you ask me.
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:51 PM   #74
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If the UN means anything, it should send a multinational force. If not, disband it.
Aaand that's a wrap folks, the party is at the pavilion tonight at eight.

I've always thought the UN was worthless, but if they cant stop talking now and make people get involved, you're right, ****'em, just kill the whole farce.
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I think i could live with us being 1/4 of it as i think has been standard (same as budgetary percentage).

Syrian govt is making denials and saying all these videos are faked
That's not faked, you don't get diapered babies to hold still like that.

That said, i don't want ANY American involvement unless its a true coalition with all countries represented equally, its about ****ing time the rest of the world pitches in on these disasters, not just some peaceful, token doctor force from the phillipines etc.
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