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Old 08-23-2013, 01:05 PM  
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Tom Coburn mulling impeachment

Do it.... I'm sure it'd be great for the rebranding. Throw in a government shutdown over (formerly Republican proposal) Obamacare for good measure.

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As an assignment for the magazine here, I recently spent a couple of months marinating on the events of 1998, when we saw only the second impeachment of a president in the history of the Republic, which came about mainly because the Republican party refused to recognize the legitimacy of a Democratic president, and because that same party had the votes in the House of Representative to bring the action forward, which it did, in a lame duck session, after the country had told the Republicans in no uncertain terms through that year's midterm elections that they should knock this shit off. Also, because the president was incomprehensibly reckless in his personal life, but that was a minor factor. I found myself astonished all over again at the sheer vandalism of the whole project, at the heedless damage the Republicans did to the country because they quite simply couldn't stop themselves, nor did they particularly want to do so. By 2000, it should be noted, nobody at that year's Republican convention even mentioned the impeachment of the president, let alone bragged about it. All that high-flown -- and incredibly bogus -- rhetoric about defending the Rule Of Law, and all those quotations from Robert Bolt's Thomas More, all of it went right down to the darkest depths of the memory hole.

Until now.

"I think those are serious things, but we're in serious times," Coburn said in Muskogee, Okla., when asked about impeachment. "And I don't have the legal background to know if that rises to ‘high crimes and misdemeanors,' but I think you're getting perilously close."

Remember, this isn't some back-bench featherhead bruiting this about. It's a (mysteriously) respected senator with whom the president is purportedly close friends. (Don't be fooled. The only reason Coburn isn't reckoned to be among the crunchiest nuts on the senatorial tree is that he shares the Oklahoma delegation with Jim Inhofe, who makes Coburn look like Pericles.) Coburn is going to get asked on the news programs to talk about what he said. This talk is now undeniably mainstreamed. OK, boys.

Bring it on.

This president isn't going to make it easier on you. There isn't going to be a personal scandal that you can gin up this time. I think you should proceed to hearings -- all of you fine old white people -- wherein you try to remove from office the first African American president in history for the high crimes of getting a law passed that you don't like. I think you should recall how everything except the Lewinsky stuff fell apart on Ken Starr, and then trot out the IRS and Benghazi, Benghazi! BENGHAZI! again on national television. I think this is a monumental political winner for your party. I think this may just lock things up for you the next 20 years. Go ahead. Give your slavering base what it really wants.

(You'll also note from the Tulsa newspaper that Coburn also called for a new constitutional convention -- aka The Second Worst Idea In Politics. Why you're hearing about it again now is that the delegates to The Second Worst Idea would be chosen by the various state legislatures where, at the moment, Republicans are running amok. The reason this is The Second Worst Idea is that the last time we did it, we threw out the entire system of government, and that was with James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington running the show. I'm no raging Founder-phile, but that seems to me to be a better lineup than handing the job over to Tom Coburn, Mark Levin, and the inhabitants of monkeyhouses like the current Wisconsin and North Carolina state legislatures. Last time, we did it partly because of Shays Rebellion. This time, we'll do it because conservatives got beat on health-care with their own ideas.)

This should be the final put-up-or-shut-up moment. Either the party distances itself from this kind of loose talk, or it owns this kind of loose talk. This isn't something that ought to be thrown out there just to rev up the base for the midterms. As we learned in 1998, this kind of thing takes on a life of its own, and it's difficult to turn off once you engage it. Either the party reins in its base, and the people playing so loudly to it, like Tom Coburn, or it embraces the base as the ideological heart of the party. You can't middle this stuff any more. The stakes are too high.
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Old 08-23-2013, 04:42 PM   #16
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Murder of a US citizen and his son.
Obama murdered someone and their son? I think I would have read about that in the papers.

You must be talking Benghazi. You really think thats impeachment worthy? Clinton lied to a grand jury and the American public to cover up his BJ in the Oval office, Watergate, google Teapot dome etc and those don't merit impeachment but Obama does?
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:48 PM   #17
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Obama murdered someone and their son? I think I would have read about that in the papers.

You must be talking Benghazi. You really think thats impeachment worthy? Clinton lied to a grand jury and the American public to cover up his BJ in the Oval office, Watergate, google Teapot dome etc and those don't merit impeachment but Obama does?
Anwar al-Awlaki and his son who was 16 plus two others.

The administration claims it can kill an American citizen without a trial and has a secret kill list. If that doesn't disturb you, I don't know what will.

I was also wrong. The Obama Administration murdered 4 american citizens not just 2.
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:52 PM   #18
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:55 PM   #19
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Obama murdered someone and their son? I think I would have read about that in the papers.

You must be talking Benghazi. You really think thats impeachment worthy? Clinton lied to a grand jury and the American public to cover up his BJ in the Oval office, Watergate, google Teapot dome etc and those don't merit impeachment but Obama does?
He drone bombed an innocent 16 year old. You missed it because you've been asleep the last 8 years.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:19 PM   #20
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here's the thing, for me, anyway -- impeachment is improbable at best, can we be honest -- better to just give them all a big glass of antifreeze
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:20 PM   #21
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Anwar al-Awlaki and his son who was 16 plus two others.

The administration claims it can kill an American citizen without a trial and has a secret kill list. If that doesn't disturb you, I don't know what will.

I was also wrong. The Obama Administration murdered 4 american citizens not just 2.
Anwar Al-Awaki plotted, planned and killed Americans for no other reason than they are Americans. You do that, you deserve to die. And the person who kills him should get a medal for doing it, not impeached.

What about lying us into war by your boy George W. 3000+ Americans dead, 10000 injured?

What about ignoring warnings about al-Queda and got 3000 Americans killed?
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:29 PM   #22
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Anwar Al-Awaki plotted, planned and killed Americans for no other reason than they are Americans. You do that, you deserve to die. And the person who kills him should get a medal for doing it, not impeached.

What about lying us into war by your boy George W. 3000+ Americans dead, 10000 injured?

What about ignoring warnings about al-Queda and got 3000 Americans killed?
He was accused of plotting, planning, and killing.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:43 PM   #23
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Do it.... I'm sure it'd be great for the rebranding. Throw in a government shutdown over (formerly Republican proposal) Obamacare for good measure.



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Damn dude, you're a special kind of idiot. You can't think for yourself and just parot democratic talking points. The reality is the government does not have to shut down, only the part that funds Obamacare should. Fool.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:00 PM   #24
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Anwar Al-Awaki plotted, planned and killed Americans for no other reason than they are Americans. You do that, you deserve to die. And the person who kills him should get a medal for doing it, not impeached.

What about lying us into war by your boy George W. 3000+ Americans dead, 10000 injured?

What about ignoring warnings about al-Queda and got 3000 Americans killed?
He was accused. No trial and no defense and the reasons for ordering the murder are secret.

He may have been guilty as hell. We don't know for sure. We will never know because Obama decided to kill him without a trial and kept the evidence secret.

George Bush is not my boy. If you noticed on the Syria thread I was arguing against Patteeu and his war boner. Obama ain't much better then Bush and in some ways worse.

There was no concrete warning about 9/11. If you really want to play that game, Clinton could of gotten Osama in the 90s when Sudan offered him up.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:07 PM   #25
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Impeachment is a waste of time. You can't impeach someone for sucking at their job.

Even if we had enough cause for a trial on some actual crime, the outcome of the impeachment will be purely political, as it was for Clinton. There's probably no degree of corruption that would cause any significant number of Democrats to vote for it.

The best thing would be to use political advantage derived from this failed experiment to take power back at the ballot box, but the Republicans don't seem able to do so.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:14 PM   #26
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He was accused.
are you insane? Evidence? He had his own you tube channel for crissakes encouraging people to kill Americans. Recruiting people to kill Americans. We have the shoe and underwear bomber say he was the one who recruited them, paid their expenses and put the bomb in their hand. How much evidence do you need?

It wasn't like we had a chance in hell of arresting him and putting him on trial. He was in a lawless country. Totally different if he is in the USA.

You chose to commit violence against America and its innocent civilians. You get what is coming to you.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:19 PM   #27
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He drone bombed an innocent 16 year old. You missed it because you've been asleep the last 8 years.
He was collateral damage. He was not the target and they had no idea he was with the real target. It's war. Kids get caught in the cross fire. MAYBE if you don't hang around the head of Al-Quaeda, you will have less chance of getting killed.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:27 PM   #28
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He drone bombed an innocent 16 year old. You missed it because you've been asleep the last 8 years.
Murder does tend to involve an element of intent.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:00 AM   #29
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are you insane? Evidence? He had his own you tube channel for crissakes encouraging people to kill Americans. Recruiting people to kill Americans. We have the shoe and underwear bomber say he was the one who recruited them, paid their expenses and put the bomb in their hand. How much evidence do you need?

It wasn't like we had a chance in hell of arresting him and putting him on trial. He was in a lawless country. Totally different if he is in the USA.

You chose to commit violence against America and its innocent civilians. You get what is coming to you.
So he was committing treason then, right? So he should've been treated along the lines of Robert Hanssen...
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Old 08-24-2013, 03:56 AM   #30
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Your post implies there is something impeachable. What has Obama done that is grounds for impeachment?
Seriously dude.. don't be stupid.

No president (other than Clinton) has been more impeachable than Obama in the last 100 years... again... don't be stupid on this... This isn't even close, it's a ****ing joke.
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