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Old 08-23-2013, 01:05 PM  
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Tom Coburn mulling impeachment

Do it.... I'm sure it'd be great for the rebranding. Throw in a government shutdown over (formerly Republican proposal) Obamacare for good measure.

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As an assignment for the magazine here, I recently spent a couple of months marinating on the events of 1998, when we saw only the second impeachment of a president in the history of the Republic, which came about mainly because the Republican party refused to recognize the legitimacy of a Democratic president, and because that same party had the votes in the House of Representative to bring the action forward, which it did, in a lame duck session, after the country had told the Republicans in no uncertain terms through that year's midterm elections that they should knock this shit off. Also, because the president was incomprehensibly reckless in his personal life, but that was a minor factor. I found myself astonished all over again at the sheer vandalism of the whole project, at the heedless damage the Republicans did to the country because they quite simply couldn't stop themselves, nor did they particularly want to do so. By 2000, it should be noted, nobody at that year's Republican convention even mentioned the impeachment of the president, let alone bragged about it. All that high-flown -- and incredibly bogus -- rhetoric about defending the Rule Of Law, and all those quotations from Robert Bolt's Thomas More, all of it went right down to the darkest depths of the memory hole.

Until now.

"I think those are serious things, but we're in serious times," Coburn said in Muskogee, Okla., when asked about impeachment. "And I don't have the legal background to know if that rises to ‘high crimes and misdemeanors,' but I think you're getting perilously close."

Remember, this isn't some back-bench featherhead bruiting this about. It's a (mysteriously) respected senator with whom the president is purportedly close friends. (Don't be fooled. The only reason Coburn isn't reckoned to be among the crunchiest nuts on the senatorial tree is that he shares the Oklahoma delegation with Jim Inhofe, who makes Coburn look like Pericles.) Coburn is going to get asked on the news programs to talk about what he said. This talk is now undeniably mainstreamed. OK, boys.

Bring it on.

This president isn't going to make it easier on you. There isn't going to be a personal scandal that you can gin up this time. I think you should proceed to hearings -- all of you fine old white people -- wherein you try to remove from office the first African American president in history for the high crimes of getting a law passed that you don't like. I think you should recall how everything except the Lewinsky stuff fell apart on Ken Starr, and then trot out the IRS and Benghazi, Benghazi! BENGHAZI! again on national television. I think this is a monumental political winner for your party. I think this may just lock things up for you the next 20 years. Go ahead. Give your slavering base what it really wants.

(You'll also note from the Tulsa newspaper that Coburn also called for a new constitutional convention -- aka The Second Worst Idea In Politics. Why you're hearing about it again now is that the delegates to The Second Worst Idea would be chosen by the various state legislatures where, at the moment, Republicans are running amok. The reason this is The Second Worst Idea is that the last time we did it, we threw out the entire system of government, and that was with James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington running the show. I'm no raging Founder-phile, but that seems to me to be a better lineup than handing the job over to Tom Coburn, Mark Levin, and the inhabitants of monkeyhouses like the current Wisconsin and North Carolina state legislatures. Last time, we did it partly because of Shays Rebellion. This time, we'll do it because conservatives got beat on health-care with their own ideas.)

This should be the final put-up-or-shut-up moment. Either the party distances itself from this kind of loose talk, or it owns this kind of loose talk. This isn't something that ought to be thrown out there just to rev up the base for the midterms. As we learned in 1998, this kind of thing takes on a life of its own, and it's difficult to turn off once you engage it. Either the party reins in its base, and the people playing so loudly to it, like Tom Coburn, or it embraces the base as the ideological heart of the party. You can't middle this stuff any more. The stakes are too high.
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Old 08-24-2013, 04:15 AM   #31
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Seriously dude.. don't be stupid.

No president (other than Clinton) has been more impeachable than Obama in the last 100 years... again... don't be stupid on this... This isn't even close, it's a ****ing joke.
a) Dick Nixon says hi.

b) You've got to be ****ing kidding me. Worse than selling arms to Iran to fund the CIA's actions in Central America?

c) Encouraging Colin Powell et. al. to perjure themselves in order to sell a war is no picnic either.
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Old 08-24-2013, 04:17 AM   #32
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Damn dude, you're a special kind of idiot. You can't think for yourself and just parot democratic talking points. The reality is the government does not have to shut down, only the part that funds Obamacare should. Fool.
Only a special kind of idiot thinks a) the President would voluntarily defund his signature initiative and b) he'd be blamed for the government shutdown.
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:22 AM   #33
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a) Dick Nixon says hi.

b) You've got to be ****ing kidding me. Worse than selling arms to Iran to fund the CIA's actions in Central America?

c) Encouraging Colin Powell et. al. to perjure themselves in order to sell a war is no picnic either.
ya and each of those three presidents expanded gov't enormously
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:28 AM   #34
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Seriously dude.. don't be stupid.

No president (other than Clinton) has been more impeachable than Obama in the last 100 years... again... don't be stupid on this... This isn't even close, it's a ****ing joke.
Bush lied us into the Iraq war. Lyndon Johnson lied about the Tompkin incident that escalated the Vietnam war. Reagan sold arms to our enemies that were used to kill our friends. He then used the profits to fund terrorists/insurgents for political reasons. Clinton lied to a grand jury.

Thats a pretty high bar to clear for impeachment.
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:53 AM   #35
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I think, technically, Congress could impeach on a mirade of issues from the NSA tactics to drones to executive orders circumventing laws. The deal is is that the GOP doesn't really want to. Why? Because they want to be able to do all this shit too when/ if they ever get control of the White House again. It's the same reason why Harry Reid didn't go nuclear on the filibuster, because some day the democrats are going to want that option.

Keep thinking that the two parties really want something different. You are all fooling yourselves.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:56 AM   #36
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Obama should definitely be impeached for the sake of the country, but until Senate democrats are willing to convict there's no point and it would be foolish for Republicans in the House to impeach without Senate democrat support. As with most things in American politics, democrats are the problem here.
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:47 AM   #37
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Obama should definitely be impeached for the sake of the country, but until Senate democrats are willing to convict there's no point and it would be foolish for Republicans in the House to impeach without Senate democrat support. As with most things in American politics, democrats are the problem here.
oh, so, you're saying the republican party is doing a good thing following the crooked road democrats pave. that's a really elaborate excuse.
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:02 AM   #38
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Seriously dude.. don't be stupid.

No president (other than Clinton) has been more impeachable than Obama in the last 100 years... again... don't be stupid on this... This isn't even close, it's a ****ing joke.
Wow. You've honestly never heard of Richard Nixon?
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:19 AM   #39
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Wow. You've honestly never heard of Richard Nixon?
He broke the law and deserved jail time. Completely agree.

Obama is a ****ing constitutional scholar and pisses on it at every turn. He knows what he's doing.

And I don't have a problem with a good lefty president. Clinton was one. He saw that the economy was doing well and left it the **** alone. His wife tried to botch that but his "Clinton-care" bill was quickly shot down.

If Obama could manage foreign policy, the debt, and return the economy to Clinton-like conditions I'd not only like the guy I'd ****ing hold it for him when he pissed...
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:50 AM   #40
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Obama murdered someone and their son? I think I would have read about that in the papers.

The Left said Bush murdered Cindy Sheehan's son, right?
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The list of presidents meriting impeachment in the last 100 year begins and ends with Nixon, Clinton and Harding.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:41 PM   #42
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I think, technically, Congress could impeach on a mirade of issues from the NSA tactics to drones to executive orders circumventing laws. The deal is is that the GOP doesn't really want to. Why? Because they want to be able to do all this shit too when/ if they ever get control of the White House again. It's the same reason why Harry Reid didn't go nuclear on the filibuster, because some day the democrats are going to want that option.

Keep thinking that the two parties really want something different. You are all fooling yourselves.
Technically, Congress can impeach if they don't like the president's tie.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:24 PM   #43
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Tompkin incident? - Gulf of Tonkin, dude

marade of issues? - I think you're looking for myriad, which is an adjective not a noun, so lose the preposition as well.

Oh, and if Coburn is indeed mulling this, did anyone check to make sure he included the stick of cinnamon?
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:59 PM   #45
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