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Yes, congress needs to declare war before we strike Syria. 37 62.71%
No, congress does not need to authorize military action in Syria. 22 37.29%
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:49 PM  
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DOes the congress need to declare war before military action in Syria?

Simple question:

Does the congress need to declare war on the official Government inSyria before we hit them with our missiles and Air Force...

Or should the president be able to attack another country without this authorization?

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Old 08-30-2013, 08:17 PM   #76
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There seems to be a thread here since the War Power Act was Passed.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:33 PM   #77
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There are a lot of radical islamists and others interested in a diminished United States who agree with you.
you are a retarded lunatic, who wants to 'give heavy weapons and whatnot' to those in syria where they would surely end up in 'radical' hands.


thank god your kind is one foot in the grave.


seriously **** you

your kind has done more to diminish this country in the last 50 years...from vietnam to al qaeda to iraq .....

What little credibility we have left, lets not blow it playing puppet master in ****ing SYRIA of all places...

my god you are insane
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:51 PM   #78
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No it isn't. I think you misunderstand the unitary executive theory.

It has to do with whether or not the Congress can tie the president's hands when it comes to control over his executive branch departments. It's not really about the scope of his foreign policy powers or where the line is drawn between the Congressional power of declaring war and the Executive power of commanding the military.
It's not the entirety of it, but the application of it in this case, according to advocates like Addington, is that the President has essentially unlimited powers during wartime. Yoo and Addington believe that relative to war, Congress only holds the power of the purse.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:56 PM   #79
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There seems to be a thread here since the War Power Act was Passed.
The War Power Act is not the Constitution.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:31 AM   #80
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It's not the entirety of it, but the application of it in this case, according to advocates like Addington, is that the President has essentially unlimited powers during wartime. Yoo and Addington believe that relative to war, Congress only holds the power of the purse.
I don't think you're right about that last sentence, but even if you are, that doesn't fall under the unitary executive theory.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:33 AM   #81
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you are a retarded lunatic, who wants to 'give heavy weapons and whatnot' to those in syria where they would surely end up in 'radical' hands.


thank god your kind is one foot in the grave.


seriously **** you

your kind has done more to diminish this country in the last 50 years...from vietnam to al qaeda to iraq .....

What little credibility we have left, lets not blow it playing puppet master in ****ing SYRIA of all places...

my god you are insane
Don't you have a Code Pink rally to get to?
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:33 AM   #82
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you are a retarded lunatic, who wants to 'give heavy weapons and whatnot' to those in syria where they would surely end up in 'radical' hands.


thank god your kind is one foot in the grave.


seriously **** you

your kind has done more to diminish this country in the last 50 years...from vietnam to al qaeda to iraq .....

What little credibility we have left, lets not blow it playing puppet master in ****ing SYRIA of all places...

my god you are insane
The likes of Pat and Donger aren't happy unless your kids are dying for their causes which are about as anti-American as you can get. We can drop these guys into Syria and they won't be able to complain anymore.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:35 AM   #83
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Nile Gardiner's interpretation of the British Parliment's decision not to back their PM's attempt to involve Great Britain in Obama's Syrian plans. Gardiner is a former aide to Margaret Thatcher.

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The vote reflected not only a lack of confidence in the Commons in the prime minister’s Syria strategy, it also demonstrated a striking lack of confidence in Barack Obama and US leadership.
He also drew some contrast between our current President and his immediate predecessor when it comes to international influence and leadership:

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George W. Bush was widely mocked by the Left during the Iraq War, with liberals jeering at the “coalition of the willing,” which included in its ranks some minnows such as Moldova and Kazkhstan. Michael Moore, in his rather silly documentary Fahrenheit 9/11, went to great lengths to lampoon the Iraq War alliance. But the coalition also contained, as I pointed out in Congressional testimony back in 2007, Great Britain, Australia, Spain, Italy, Poland, and 16 members of the NATO alliance, as well as Japan and South Korea. In Europe, France and Germany were the only large-scale countries that sat the war out, with 12 of the 25 members of the European Union represented. The coalition, swelled to roughly 40 countries, and was one of the largest military coalitions ever assembled.

As it stands, President Obama’s proposed military coalition on Syria has a grand total of two members – the US and France. And the French, as we know from Iraq, simply can’t be relied on, and have very limited military capability. It is a truly embarrassing state of affairs when Paris, at best a fair weather friend, is your only partner. John Kerry tried to put a brave face on it at his press conference today, by referring to France “as our oldest ally,” but the fact remains that his administration is looking painfully isolated.
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That bozo is on tv talking, I can't stand the sight of him let alone listening to the prince of lies, someone give me cliff notes.

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BO walking it back right now, will have congress debate it when they get back.
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That bozo is on tv talking, I can't stand the sight of him let alone listening to the prince of lies, someone give me cliff notes.

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Cliffnotes so far: Obama has talked to Congressional leaders and is asking for Congressional approval to make air strikes into Syria. No plan for ground troops. Congress will debate the issue as soon as it is back in session. Obama stated that he believed he had the authority to act without Congressional approval, but that he wanted Congressional approval for the good of the country...etc.
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Cliffnotes so far: Obama has talked to Congressional leaders and is asking for Congressional approval to make air strikes into Syria. No plan for ground troops. Congress will debate the issue as soon as it is back in session. Obama stated that he believed he had the authority to act without Congressional approval, but that he wanted Congressional approval for the good of the country...etc.
He needs someone else to get in front of him so he can "lead" from behind.
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Old 08-31-2013, 12:28 PM   #89
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So, looks like Obama backed off in his game of chicken. He gets cover from congress. He was willing to act to support the line in the sand but the pansy ass Repubs didnt have the balls. Hillary can say she agrees and not offend anyone. Pretty much a political game after all. The killings in Syria will continue. Obama will blame congress. Hilary will talk up the need for a steady hand at the wheel. Biden will talk and no one listen. Kerry will be remembered for a speech with no end that accomplished zero. Sorta like Kerrys life.
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So, looks like Obama backed off in his game of chicken. He gets cover from congress. He was willing to act to support the line in the sand but the pansy ass Repubs didnt have the balls. Hillary can say she agrees and not offend anyone. Pretty much a political game after all. The killings in Syria will continue. Obama will blame congress. Hilary will talk up the need for a steady hand at the wheel. Biden will talk and no one listen. Kerry will be remembered for a speech with no end that accomplished zero. Sorta like Kerrys life.
That about sums it up. We voted for international weakness and a lack of leadership and that's what we got. Hurray for us!
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