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Old 08-29-2013, 12:54 PM  
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Oh hell. Assad may NOT have been involved? Really?

Cluster****. Thats what Obama is and what he runs. A Cluster****.

Intel. They used to gather intel to help guide a decision process. Sorta like market research. Seems Obama has his own shoot from the hip based on his media needs style that does not use Intel.

Check this shit...So we are about to cruise missile them for 3 nights of high ratings TV while our own Intel says wait up here...Assad may not be the bad guy in this gas thing after all? What?



WASHINGTON (AP) — The intelligence linking Syrian President Bashar Assad or his inner circle to an alleged chemical weapons attack is no “slam dunk,” with questions remaining about who actually controls some of Syria’s chemical weapons stores and doubts about whether Assad himself ordered the strike, U.S. intelligence officials say.

President Barack Obama declared unequivocally Wednesday that the Syrian government was responsible, while laying the groundwork for an expected U.S. military strike.

“We have concluded that the Syrian government in fact carried these out,” Obama said in an interview with “NewsHour” on PBS. “And if that’s so, then there need to be international consequences.” [...]

An intercept of Syrian military officials discussing the strike was among low-level staff, with no direct evidence tying the attack back to an Assad insider or even a senior Syrian commander, the officials said.

So while Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that links between the attack and the Assad government are “undeniable,” U.S. intelligence officials are not so certain that the suspected chemical attack was carried out on Assad’s orders, or even completely sure it was carried out by government forces, the officials said. [...]

Another possibility that officials would hope to rule out: that stocks had fallen out of the government’s control and were deployed by rebels in a callous and calculated attempt to draw the West into the war.


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Old 08-29-2013, 03:54 PM   #31
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British released video and information today.
Well how about a link then?
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Old 08-29-2013, 03:56 PM   #32
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What was the guy's perspective?
We got into an argument about some non Syria related stuff, but before that, he claimed that this is the U.S' fault because they were likely behind the use of Chemical Weapons so that they could have an excuse to bomb syria. When i asked him what interest we would have in bombing Syria, he tried to claim that we'd do it because we're allies with Israel.

He linked me this: http://sreaves32.wordpress.com/2013/...yria-attacked/

The Link is really interesting, but i can't find anything credible to back up those claims.
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Old 08-29-2013, 03:58 PM   #33
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We got into an argument about some non Syria related stuff, but before that, he claimed that this is the U.S' fault because they were likely behind the use of Chemical Weapons so that they could have an excuse to bomb syria. When i asked him what interest we would have in bombing Syria, he tried to claim that we'd do it because we're allies with Israel.

He linked me this: http://sreaves32.wordpress.com/2013/...yria-attacked/

The Link is really interesting, but i can't find anything credible to back up those claims.
FFS. The Israel hate is so strong amongst them it makes them crazy.
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:01 PM   #34
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The story in the link is basically saying that Putin met with the Prince of Saudi Arabia and the Prince offered Russia a claim in their oil if they left Syria. And if they didn't leave Syria, then the Saudis would send terrorists to the Olympics.

Putin gets pissed and a month later, says that if the West attacks Syria, then Russia will retaliate and hit Saudi Arabia under the assumption that this was a devised plan by Saudi Arabia and the West.
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:03 PM   #35
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The story in the link is basically saying that Putin met with the Prince of Saudi Arabia and the Prince offered Russia a claim in their oil if they left Syria. And if they didn't leave Syria, then the Saudis would send terrorists to the Olympics.

Putin gets pissed and a month later, says that if the West attacks Syria, then Russia will retaliate and hit Saudi Arabia under the assumption that this was a devised plan by Saudi Arabia and the West.
BS. Putin would have smacked that Prince, got naked and took his rings. Then went hunting lions with a knife.
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:04 PM   #36
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FFS. The Israel hate is so strong amongst them it makes them crazy.
Seriously. How obsessed do you have to be to still find ways to blame Israel while you are the middle of a civil war?
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:05 PM   #37
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I don't know what is credible and what isn't:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ops-Syria.html

Saudis offer Russia secret oil deal if it drops Syria

Saudi Arabia has secretly offered Russia a sweeping deal to control the global oil market and safeguard Russia’s gas contracts, if the Kremlin backs away from the Assad regime in Syria.

Khaled al Otaiby, an official of the Saudi oil company Aramco watches progress at a rig at the al-Howta oil field near Howta, Saudi Arabia

The revelations come amid high tension in the Middle East, with US, British, and French warship poised for missile strikes in Syria. Iran has threatened to retaliate.

The strategic jitters pushed Brent crude prices to a five-month high of $112 a barrel. “We are only one incident away from a serious oil spike. The market is a lot tighter than people think,” said Chris Skrebowski, editor of Petroleum Review.

Leaked transcripts of a closed-door meeting between Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan shed an extraordinary light on the hard-nosed Realpolitik of the two sides.

Prince Bandar, head of Saudi intelligence, allegedly confronted the Kremlin with a mix of inducements and threats in a bid to break the deadlock over Syria. “Let us examine how to put together a unified Russian-Saudi strategy on the subject of oil. The aim is to agree on the price of oil and production quantities that keep the price stable in global oil markets,” he said at the four-hour meeting with Mr Putin. They met at Mr Putin’s dacha outside Moscow three weeks ago.

“We understand Russia’s great interest in the oil and gas in the Mediterranean from Israel to Cyprus. And we understand the importance of the Russian gas pipeline to Europe. We are not interested in competing with that. We can cooperate in this area,” he said, purporting to speak with the full backing of the US.

The details of the talks were first leaked to the Russian press. A more detailed version has since appeared in the Lebanese newspaper As-Safir, which has Hezbollah links and is hostile to the Saudis.

As-Safir said Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord. “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” he allegedly said.

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on an off. “These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria’s political future.”

President Putin has long been pushing for a global gas cartel, issuing the `Moscow Declaration’ last to month “defend suppliers and resist unfair pressure”. This would entail beefing up the Gas Exporting Countries Forum (GECF), a talking shop.

Mr Skrebowski said it is unclear what the Saudis can really offer the Russians on gas, beyond using leverage over Qatar and others to cut output of liquefied natural gas (LGN). “The Qataris are not going to obey Saudi orders,” he said.
Saudi Arabia could help boost oil prices by restricting its own supply. This would be a shot in the arm for Russia, which is near recession and relies on an oil price near $100 to fund the budget.

But it would be a dangerous strategy for the Saudis if it pushed prices to levels that endangered the world’s fragile economic recovery. Crude oil stocks in the US have already fallen sharply this year. Goldman Sachs said the “surplus cushion” in global stocks built up since 2008 has been completely eliminated.

Mr Skrebowski said trouble is brewing in a string of key supply states. “Libya is reverting to war lordism. Nigerian is drifting into a bandit state with steady loss of output. And Iraq is going back to the sort of Sunni-Shia civil war we saw in 2006-2007,” he said.

The Putin-Bandar meeting was stormy, replete with warnings of a “dramatic turn” in Syria. Mr Putin was unmoved by the Saudi offer, though western pressure has escalated since then. “Our stance on Assad will never change. We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters,” he said, referring to footage showing a Jihadist rebel eating the heart and liver of a Syrian soldier.

Prince Bandar in turn warned that there can be “no escape from the military option” if Russia declines the olive branch. Events are unfolding exactly as he foretold.
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:06 PM   #38
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Come on Dave Lane. Let's see the link to the British-released evidence that Assad used the Sarin gas. Cause all I can find in multiple google searches is the intercepted phone call mentioned earlier, which is inconclusive at best, and damning of the rebels at worst. And several articles that say that nobody knows for sure who did it.
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Seriously. How obsessed do you have to be to still find ways to blame Israel while you are the middle of a civil war?
It's insane and causes lots of trouble.
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Old 08-29-2013, 05:40 PM   #40
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The story in the link is basically saying that Putin met with the Prince of Saudi Arabia and the Prince offered Russia a claim in their oil if they left Syria. And if they didn't leave Syria, then the Saudis would send terrorists to the Olympics.

Putin gets pissed and a month later, says that if the West attacks Syria, then Russia will retaliate and hit Saudi Arabia under the assumption that this was a devised plan by Saudi Arabia and the West.

And Putin was scared by said threat. Right-o I have some gold bricks Ill sell ya for 45 bucks if its cash and all 5's good buddy
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:50 PM   #41
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Well, Putin has shown he has no qualms about having people assassinated. So if said threat was uttered I am sure he informed the Prince that his whole family may not see the end of the Olympics.

Also less collateral damage then one of Obama's drone strikes.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:12 PM   #42
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I had not seen that.
Those "rebels" are Al-Qaeda rebels.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:22 PM   #43
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dave lane the hard core scientist, won't believe in anything without 100% proof


except he is willing to take Al Qaeda's word that there is a video somewhere, showing rockets, that proves these rockets had chemical weapons and were launched by assad on his own people

refuses to provide link

yet mocks others for their 'faith'

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Old 08-29-2013, 10:26 PM   #44
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dave lane the hard core scientist, won't believe in anything without 100% proof


except he is willing to take Al Qaeda's word that there is a video somewhere, showing rockets, that proves these rockets had chemical weapons and were launched by assad on his own people

refuses to provide link

yet mocks others for their 'faith'

total hypocrite
I think we've pretty much established that Dave Lane believes whatever the supposed authority on any given subject tells him to believe, and he really doesn't know shit.
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