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Old 08-29-2013, 12:54 PM  
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Oh hell. Assad may NOT have been involved? Really?

Cluster****. Thats what Obama is and what he runs. A Cluster****.

Intel. They used to gather intel to help guide a decision process. Sorta like market research. Seems Obama has his own shoot from the hip based on his media needs style that does not use Intel.

Check this shit...So we are about to cruise missile them for 3 nights of high ratings TV while our own Intel says wait up here...Assad may not be the bad guy in this gas thing after all? What?



WASHINGTON (AP) — The intelligence linking Syrian President Bashar Assad or his inner circle to an alleged chemical weapons attack is no “slam dunk,” with questions remaining about who actually controls some of Syria’s chemical weapons stores and doubts about whether Assad himself ordered the strike, U.S. intelligence officials say.

President Barack Obama declared unequivocally Wednesday that the Syrian government was responsible, while laying the groundwork for an expected U.S. military strike.

“We have concluded that the Syrian government in fact carried these out,” Obama said in an interview with “NewsHour” on PBS. “And if that’s so, then there need to be international consequences.” [...]

An intercept of Syrian military officials discussing the strike was among low-level staff, with no direct evidence tying the attack back to an Assad insider or even a senior Syrian commander, the officials said.

So while Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that links between the attack and the Assad government are “undeniable,” U.S. intelligence officials are not so certain that the suspected chemical attack was carried out on Assad’s orders, or even completely sure it was carried out by government forces, the officials said. [...]

Another possibility that officials would hope to rule out: that stocks had fallen out of the government’s control and were deployed by rebels in a callous and calculated attempt to draw the West into the war.


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Old 08-30-2013, 10:41 AM   #61
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They gassed children,so we have to strike. Plus Obama's bombs are childproof
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:57 AM   #62
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There is video of the people the US government wants to support in this war eating the heart and liver of a dead Assad soldier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqJfF...r_embedded#t=0
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Old 08-30-2013, 11:22 AM   #63
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Are you pleased with the job he has done? Serious question. You and I often disagree but have always got along. Strictly curiosity~

Not really. I think it's been fairly mediocre overall. I will say he's had some tough, tough hands to play with in the Near Middle East. I've generally liked most of what he's done in Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan.

You tell me, WTF do we do in Syria?
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Old 08-30-2013, 11:33 AM   #64
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This is a cluster**** to the highest levels.

We have no business being there. We dont have a dog in this fight.

Barry is going to **** this up big time.
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Old 08-30-2013, 11:41 AM   #65
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Come on Dave Lane. Let's see the link to the British-released evidence that Assad used the Sarin gas. Cause all I can find in multiple google searches is the intercepted phone call mentioned earlier, which is inconclusive at best, and damning of the rebels at worst. And several articles that say that nobody knows for sure who did it.
CNN said that the British had released information to the public and had video of missile trails from behind Assad's lines.

I'm certain someone on Assad's side did it, but not sure I care that we respond. We stick a couple cruise missiles up his ass and go away I'm good with it. Anything else I'm opposed.
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:03 PM   #66
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CNN said that the British had released information to the public and had video of missile trails from behind Assad's lines.

I'm certain someone on Assad's side did it, but not sure I care that we respond. We stick a couple cruise missiles up his ass and go away I'm good with it. Anything else I'm opposed.
Your forgetting the domino affect.
We hit Syria, Iran will hit Israel. After that, who knows what the hell is going to happen, but it will not be pretty and has the potential to get really ugly really fast.
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:09 PM   #67
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Your forgetting the domino affect.
We hit Syria, Iran will hit Israel. After that, who knows what the hell is going to happen, but it will not be pretty and has the potential to get really ugly really fast.
CNN didnt tell Dave Lane anything about no dominos
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:11 PM   #68
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Your forgetting the domino affect.
We hit Syria, Iran will hit Israel. After that, who knows what the hell is going to happen, but it will not be pretty and has the potential to get really ugly really fast.
If we bow to Irans wishes what does that do for us?
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:22 PM   #69
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If we bow to Irans wishes what does that do for us?
Nothing. Obama really put himself into a corner with this one.

We gain nothing from this conflict.
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:37 PM   #70
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Who cares if Assad was involved? I though the tentative plan was to destroy the chemical weapons?
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Who cares if Assad was involved? I though the tentative plan was to destroy the chemical weapons?
For sure the best way to get rid of WMD is to bomb & rocket strike Chemical weapons.
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For sure the best way to get rid of WMD is to bomb & rocket strike Chemical weapons.
Right? OTOH the UN inspectors are worthless as tits on a boar.
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The point I was trying to make
Striking gas stockpiles just disperses them into the environment. Its the type of weapon that needs captured. Not blown up.

This is just a way to keep everyone focused on Syrian,while Obama exempts Unions from Obama care.
You know/ flying under the radar so to speak
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The point I was trying to make
Striking gas stockpiles just disperses them into the environment. Its the type of weapon that needs captured. Not blown up.

This is just a way to keep everyone focused on Syrian,while Obama exempts Unions from Obama care.
You know/ flying under the radar so to speak
Agreed. But who can capture them? I've lost faith.
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