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Old 09-04-2013, 07:59 AM  
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Brandon Flowers restructures to help KC

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Brandon Flowers restructured his contract. Converted $4M of $7.35M base to a signing bous, clearing $3M in cap space for the Chiefs
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:45 PM   #91
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You don't think Flowers is elite? Really?
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good ... yes
very good ... probably
elite ... i don't think so

I think Flowers has physical limitations that keeps him from be elite.

no insult to Flowers ... he is a good player and i love having him on the team.


I just consider Elite as being a real force during the game. A player that alters the game plan of the other team. Game changer.
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:47 PM   #92
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Albert so good that he needs to be there twice?

Joe Staley, Joe Thomas, Ryan Clady, Tyron Smith, Trent Williams, Veldheer, Duane Brown, D'Brickishaw Ferguson, Sam Baker, Jake Long.

I think the 5 bolded are definitely better at the moment than Brendan Albert, with the other guys in the discussion. I love Bowe, but im not sure you can put him in a top 5 category either.

Calvin, Dez, Aj Green, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitz, Aj Johnson, Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson.

I think talent wise he is there, and if he had any of those guys qbs I think there would be no discussion.
Clady is the most overrated tackle I'm the league...
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:48 PM   #93
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He is very much elite.

Richard Sherman, Joe Haden, Brandon Flowers, I leave Revis off of the elite category for now.

Also leaving off Webb because of injury, Patrick Peterson I don't think is elite, he is just flashy, Champ isn't elite anymore.

So yeah, I very much so think Flowers is elite.
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:48 PM   #94
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good ... yes
very good ... probably
elite ... i don't think so

I think Flowers has physical limitations that keeps him from be elite.

no insult to Flowers ... he is a good player and i love having him on the team.


I just consider Elite as being a real force during the game. A player that alters the game plan of the other team. Game changer.
Oh. Like Tebow.
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:48 PM   #95
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i know i'm late on the point but to all you guys on this magical Brandon Lloyd bandwagon...

correct me if I'm wrong, maybe the 500 new influx of 49er fans can answer this, but I am pretty sure Brandon Lloyd and Alex Smith don't like each other from their days in SF
I thought about that


but then again i wonder if Lloyd has problems 'liking' anyone and that's why he can't keep a job.
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:48 PM   #96
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good ... yes
very good ... probably
elite ... i don't think so

I think Flowers has physical limitations that keeps him from be elite.

no insult to Flowers ... he is a good player and i love having him on the team.


I just consider Elite as being a real force during the game. A player that alters the game plan of the other team. Game changer.
I don't think that corner exists anymore. Not with the way the league has set it up for the offense. This year even Richard Sherman is going to take a step back because they aren't letting the dbs be as physical.
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I don't think that corner exists anymore. Not with the way the league has set it up for the offense. This year even Richard Sherman is going to take a step back because they aren't letting the dbs be as physical.
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Clady is the most overrated tackle I'm the league...
Everyone has their critics. But the general consensus is that Clady is in the elite category for tackles.
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:57 PM   #99
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Everyone has their critics. But the general consensus is that Clady is in the elite category for tackles.
is this the same Clady that got abused so badly by Tamba Hali that the donks almost had to abandon ship?
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:59 PM   #100
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is this the same Clady that got abused so badly by Tamba Hali that the donks almost had to abandon ship?
LOL.

probably. No shame in that though......I mean, its not like Hali is a scrub.....

Oh, and im not defending Clady, I had my round with Broncos fans a couple years ago when they tried telling me he was better than Joe Thomas.

That's a no no......

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Albert so good that he needs to be there twice?

Joe Staley, Joe Thomas, Ryan Clady, Tyron Smith, Trent Williams, Veldheer, Duane Brown, D'Brickishaw Ferguson, Sam Baker, Jake Long.

I think the 5 bolded are definitely better at the moment than Brendan Albert, with the other guys in the discussion. I love Bowe, but im not sure you can put him in a top 5 category either.

Calvin, Dez, Aj Green, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitz, Aj Johnson, Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson.

I think talent wise he is there, and if he had any of those guys qbs I think there would be no discussion.
Personally, I think it's easier to think of players in tiers. WR in particular.
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Old 09-04-2013, 04:06 PM   #102
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Personally, I think it's easier to think of players in tiers. WR in particular.
I do as well. I was going with the conversation.....
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even with the god awful QBs his whole career, I am pretty sure on paper, Bowe has a statistical sample that is top 5 WR numbers, at least prior to last season he did
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even with the god awful QBs his whole career, I am pretty sure on paper, Bowe has a statistical sample that is top 5 WR numbers, at least prior to last season he did
Do you do fantasy drafts?

I don't think its Bowes fault that he is regularly one of the very last number one receivers taken off the board.

He is a bonafide number one receiver. Just his qb situation is killing him.
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if you are measuring where guys are picked in Joe Blow's Backyard Summer Fantasy League as a measure of who the average middle aged man thinks is a top 5 player at a position

then lol
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