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Old 09-04-2013, 06:03 PM  
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Hillary, Hillary!

Two more years the battle of presidential election will begin again. Hillary is making the move.

What do you think her chance?

More important, if she becomes POTUS, will Willie move back to the White House?
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:02 AM   #31
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It's going to be a really fun race, Hillary and Christie.

Both are politically intelligent people and, in their own ways, good speakers. Hillary's completely up to the job, and at this point is probably assured my vote of course. Christie, however, is incredibly charismatic and has a consistently moderate record, unlike the guy you folks ran in 2012.

I'm not looking forward to the inevitable misogyny and fat jokes, but I think either candidate would do an apt job with the country.
I have to admit that I am looking forward to some of those.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:12 AM   #32
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I have to admit that I am looking forward to some of those.
The inherent problem with the Hillary vs. Christie dynamic is not who can get more people to like them. It'll be who can get fewer people to hate them.

Clinton has a Democratic base on fire for her, and a ton of women will surely shift her way. Many moderates who loved Clinton may gravitate to her because of her last name.

For all the ridiculous talk from the conservative base about how Christie is "dead to them," as pat's said, they'll jizz their shorts when he brings the thunder on the campaign trail. And aside from his bluster, he actually is very charismatic, and bringing Rubio on board will give his party SOME more sway with Hispanics and automatically swing Florida.

They both have huge bases of support. Where Christie wins, however, is that Democrats/liberals don't really hate him, while Hillary as President might as well be the second coming of Hitler to conservatives. And therein lies the advantage for Christie.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:21 AM   #33
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The only way she's not in the Oval Office is if she get's Barack'd again in the primaries.

There's a greater chance of a new party taking the WH than the Republicans.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:27 AM   #34
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It's going to be a really fun race, Hillary and Christie.

Both are politically intelligent people and, in their own ways, good speakers. Hillary's completely up to the job, and at this point is probably assured my vote of course. Christie, however, is incredibly charismatic and has a consistently moderate record, unlike the guy you folks ran in 2012.

I'm not looking forward to the inevitable misogyny and fat jokes, but I think either candidate would do an apt job with the country.
To be clear, I'm registered as a Libertarian. I'm not a Republican.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:30 AM   #35
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The only way she's not in the Oval Office is if she get's Barack'd again in the primaries.

There's a greater chance of a new party taking the WH than the Republicans.
Why does everybody discount Christie's chances?

The guy has all the ingredients you need to be a successful POTUS candidate. Hillary does not.

She's got massive advantages, but Christie has all the important ones.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:30 AM   #36
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To be clear, I'm registered as a Libertarian. I'm not a Republican.
I hear you. I was simply saying you voted for the guy.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:49 AM   #37
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Why does everybody discount Christie's chances?
He has an R next to his name, meaning he'll soon have to pander to the Evangelical right and the last vestiges of pre-Civil Rights era thinking on some "key" policies and then become public enemy #1 to gays, women and minorities.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:52 AM   #38
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To be clear, I'm registered as a Libertarian. I'm not a Republican.
I tried to unregister entirely. I was told that it's not an option. Personally, I don't understand it. There's no way I'll ever do jury duty and I can't see any other reason to keep me on the roles.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:54 AM   #39
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He has an R next to his name, meaning he'll soon have to pander to the Evangelical right and the last vestiges of pre-Civil Rights era thinking on some "key" policies and then become public enemy #1 to gays, women and minorities.
I hate to break it to you, but nobody gives a shit about the evangelical right in POTUS election years.

The Republicans put John McCain and Mitt Mormon Romney out there. Who from the evangelical right is soooo dangerous to Christie in 2016? Certainly not Ted Cruz or Rick Santorum. Who gives a shit.

Seriously, go down the line of GOP candidates and find one that has anything on Christie. The closest you come is Rubio, and he shot himself down with immigration -- unfairly, might I add, considering that Rubio was pushing relatively moderate reforms.

Jeb Bush either won't jump in, or simply suffer due to his last name. I like Jindal as a political player, but he simply does not have Christie's charisma. And Peter King is the Republican Chris Dodd.

If the Christian right can't take down Mitt Romney, it definitely can't take down Christie.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:57 AM   #40
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I tried to unregister entirely. I was told that it's not an option. Personally, I don't understand it. There's no way I'll ever do jury duty and I can't see any other reason to keep me on the roles.
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I'd think jury duty would be fascinating. I've obviously never done it, but I'd love to someday.
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I hear you. I was simply saying you voted for the guy.
Who, Romney?
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Who, Romney?
That would be the guy.
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That would be the guy.
You think I voted for him?
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You think I voted for him?
I believe that was the implication.
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