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Old 01-24-2007, 09:03 PM  
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'08AMA on the issues

I'm tired of people saying that they don't know where '08AMA (thanks Jensen) stands on the issues... It's not difficult in this day and age to actually do the miniscule amount of work to actually educate yourself on any candidate's position on the issues, so I thought I'd put in some miniscule effort to pull them up so that everybody has to make even less of an effort to get knowledgeable on his actual positions.

So without delay...

Iraq
Since 2002, and now, as a U.S. Senator, Senator Obama has continued to critique the Administration's mishandling of this war, and believes that while our troops have done an outstanding job in Iraq, there can be no military solution to what is inherently a political conflict between Iraq's warring factions. The only hope to end this burgeoning civil war is for Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds to come together and resolve their differences, and that's why Senator Obama agrees with the Iraq Study Group's conclusion that we must begin a phased redeployment of American troops to signal to the government and people of Iraq that ours is not an open-ended commitment.

For more on his Iraq positions:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/iraq/index.html


Defense
With the nation facing unprecedented threats, our military needs to remain the world's best. We must adapt the Pentagon to face 21st century threats such as global terrorists and loose nuclear weapons in the former Soviet states. Senator Obama is working to ensure that the nation's defense capabilities are strong, agile, and prepared and that our troops are provided with the equipment they need.

For more on his defense positions:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/defense/index.html


Seniors
As we transition to an increasingly global economy, many Americans are at risk of being left behind through no fault of their own. Among those most affected by these changes are senior citizens, many of whom are on fixed incomes. We need to modernize our social safety net to help senior citizens meet these new challenges, but we also must preserve those elements, such as Social Security and Medicare, that have enabled us to fulfill our moral commitments to our parents and grandparents.

For more on his Seniors positions:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/seniors/index.html


Crime
Senator Obama is a strong proponent of tougher measures to fight crime, in particular the growing problem of methamphetamines, which has ravaged many communities in Illinois. He has also advocated providing more resources to local law enforcement officers.

For more on his positions on crime:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/crime/index.html


Environment
As a member of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Senator Obama has worked to ensure our nation's environmental laws and policies balance America's needs for a healthy, sustainable environment with economic growth.


For more on his environmental policy:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/environment/index.html


Homeland Security
Senator Obama believes that greater attention needs to be paid to the nationís homeland security. To that end, he has supported efforts to distribute more funds to cities like Chicago most at risk of a terrorist attack. He has also introduced legislation to strength chemical plant and drinking water security and to enhance disaster preparedness.

For more on his homeland security policy:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/homel...ity/index.html



Immigration
Senator Obama shares the growing public concern about illegal immigration in the United States. The challenge facing President Bush and Congress is how to effectively stop the flow of illegal immigrants across our borders, better manage immigration flows going forward, and deal with illegal aliens who are already living and working in this country.

More on Obama's take on Immigration:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/immigration/index.html


Education
Senator Obama is committed to providing every American with the opportunity to receive a quality education, from pre-kindergarten to college or vocational school to job retraining programs.


More Obama on Education:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/education/index.html


Health Care
Promoting affordable, accessible, and high-quality health care was a priority for Barack Obama in the Illinois State Senate and is a priority for him in the United States Senate. He believes firmly that health care should be a right for everyone, not a privilege for the few.

'08AMA on Healthcare:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/health_care/index.html


Veterans
As a member of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama is committed to helping the heroes who defend our nation today and the veterans who fought in years past.

More Obama on Veterans:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/veterans/index.html



Ethics and Lobbying Reform
Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has been a leader in fighting for open and honest government. During his first year as an Illinois State Senator, he helped lead the fight to pass Illinois' first ethics reform bill in 25 years. As a U.S. Senator, he has spearheaded the effort to clean up Washington in the wake of the Jack Abramoff scandal.

And last but not least:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/ethic...orm/index.html




And here is a link to the page which it is all found, which undoubtedly will be updated throughout his campaign:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/
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Old 01-24-2007, 09:19 PM   #2
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Every Democrat says this exact same crap... nothing new
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Old 01-24-2007, 09:20 PM   #3
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He has no acutal solution for any of these problems listed above...

This is what I'm thinking:

To fix the the deficit... raise taxes
To fix SS.... raise taxes

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Old 01-24-2007, 09:24 PM   #4
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I hate to be too much of a wet blanket, but that's a great list of the seemingly satisfying but insubstantial generalities I was talking about in the other thread. I don't have time tonight to click on each of the links so maybe he has very detailed descriptions of his positions on those sub-pages, but on this page here is a comprehensive list of the positions I was able to get out of what you posted:

1) He wants to implement the ISG recommendations on Iraq.

2) He's hawkish on meth.

3) He wants to spend more money on lots of other good sounding but unspecific stuff.

I'll take a look at some of the sub-pages tomorrow. Have a nice night.
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Old 01-24-2007, 09:43 PM   #5
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I hate to be too much of a wet blanket, but that's a great list of the seemingly satisfying but insubstantial generalities I was talking about in the other thread.
Every senator has a page like that. Check on your own guys.
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Old 01-24-2007, 10:07 PM   #6
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I applaud your efforts and intentions, TJ. Seriously.

I consider Obama's "platform" to be a good start; it leaves me wanting to hear more. And that's more than I can say about the agenda and rhetoric of many politicians.

I'm eager to hear his detailed proposals and the specific legislative agenda he thinks can accomplish some of the things he has so far spoken of, mostly in general terms.

IMO, he will make the race with Hillary very, very interesting. It will be fascinating seeing Hillary attempt to position herself against what he says.
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Old 01-24-2007, 10:27 PM   #7
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Every senator has a page like that. Check on your own guys.
Agreed.
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Old 01-24-2007, 11:00 PM   #8
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I agree. I'll check links later as well, but most of these issue positions are little more than "Senator Obama is concerned about 'x' issue."

Of course it is January 2007, so he has some time to spell out these positions in a little more detail.
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Old 01-24-2007, 11:04 PM   #9
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I hate to be too much of a wet blanket, but that's a great list of the seemingly satisfying but insubstantial generalities I was talking about in the other thread. I don't have time tonight to click on each of the links so maybe he has very detailed descriptions of his positions on those sub-pages, but on this page here is a comprehensive list of the positions I was able to get out of what you posted:

1) He wants to implement the ISG recommendations on Iraq.

2) He's hawkish on meth.

3) He wants to spend more money on lots of other good sounding but unspecific stuff.

I'll take a look at some of the sub-pages tomorrow. Have a nice night.
I don't have time to read them all tonight but I sampled a few of them and there are some very specific solutions in a couple and not so specific in a couple of others. I would say it is typical platform material of any national candidate in terms of specificity.
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:21 AM   #10
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I consider Obama's "platform" to be a good start; it leaves me wanting to hear more.

Yep. Exactly.

It's why he's going to win the election. People want to learn more about him, unlike other politicians. Nobody wants to learn more about Hillary. In fact, they want to hear less. She doesn't stand a chance.
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Old 01-25-2007, 05:01 AM   #11
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It doesn't matter. You could have video of him giving step-by-step instructions to his plan on every issue, and people would still say, "What I still want to know is what is Obama's plan? At least our guy has a plan!" It's a really weird phenomena which I became familiar with during the last presidential election.
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Old 01-25-2007, 06:30 AM   #12
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Yep. Exactly.

It's why he's going to win the election. People want to learn more about him, unlike other politicians. Nobody wants to learn more about Hillary. In fact, they want to hear less. She doesn't stand a chance.
I've been saying, basically, the same thing for awhile now....

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...48#post3269748

Our difference may be you have more faith in American's abilities to resist the inevitable demagoguery and to let go of their prejudices. I think he could win the nomination; my real skepticism would come in the general election.

In a ChiefsPlanet first, I have to say...I hope I'm wrong, and I hope you are right.
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Old 01-25-2007, 06:55 AM   #13
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It doesn't matter. You could have video of him giving step-by-step instructions to his plan on every issue, and people would still say, "What I still want to know is what is Obama's plan? At least our guy has a plan!" It's a really weird phenomena which I became familiar with during the last presidential election.
Please tell me that you arent' really suggesting that Kerry had anything truly specific and substantive to offer, that made his "plan" better than what Bush was offering. Because clearly the American people didn't see it that way.

And I mean, substantively. At least on issues that Americans really care about....
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Old 01-25-2007, 07:01 AM   #14
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Please tell me that you arent' really suggesting that Kerry had anything truly specific and substantive to offer, that made his "plan" better than what Bush was offering. Because clearly the American people didn't see it that way.

And I mean, substantively. At least on issues that Americans really care about....
I'm not saying his plan was better. I'm not even really commenting on Kerry specifically. I'm commenting on a general trend that I've noticed in DC from both sides. People would say, "Kerry doesn't have a plan." Link of said plan would be provided. People would still insist there was no plan.

As others have pointed out, what constitutes a "plan" for any candidate (left or right) is usually nothing more than a fluffed up talking points PR campaign. That plan is good enough for people if it's from the candidate they support. If it's from a candidate they oppose, they label the plan without any substance or claim it's not a plan at all.
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He's being thrust to play Jesus to the leper of slavery in people's heads.

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