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Old 02-09-2007, 01:48 AM  
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Looking back: Barack Obama's pre-war speech on Iraq

Barack Obama's Iraq Speech

Delivered on 26 October 2002.


Good afternoon. Let begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I donít oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Pattonís army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I donít oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administrationís pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.

I donít oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perles and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Roves to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income Ė to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

Thatís what Iím opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear Ė I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

Heís a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. Iím opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Letís finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Letís fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Letís fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Letís fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesnít simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not Ė we will not Ė travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

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Old 02-09-2007, 02:46 AM   #2
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Yeah, but his middle name is "Hussein".


Barack Obama is a once in a generation leader, I'm proud to have met him briefly in early 2006. It'll be nice to be able to pass down to my son the autograph of the one of the great leaders of my generation.
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Old 02-09-2007, 05:41 AM   #3
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Now let me be clear Ė I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.
Why aren't we calling this guy a liar?

And I notice that when he lists wars he supports, he doesn't include the invasion of Afghanistan. I've been told that "everyone" supported that war.
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Old 02-09-2007, 08:29 AM   #4
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Old 02-09-2007, 09:04 AM   #5
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Yeah, but his middle name is "Hussein".


Barack Obama is a once in a generation leader, I'm proud to have met him briefly in early 2006. It'll be nice to be able to pass down to my son the autograph of the one of the great leaders of my generation.
Jaz - He has my support as well. There may damn well be enough of us to get him the nomination.
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Old 02-09-2007, 09:07 AM   #6
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Jaz - He has my support as well. There may damn well be enough of us to get him the nomination.
But yet, in all reality, there isn't and will not be.
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Old 02-09-2007, 09:16 AM   #7
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Yeah, but his middle name is "Hussein".


Barack Obama is a once in a generation leader, I'm proud to have met him briefly in early 2006. It'll be nice to be able to pass down to my son the autograph of the one of the great leaders of my generation.
You could be right.

Then again, during my brief stint in medical sales.....I met a similar man, not once but three times, and was similarly impressed. So much so, that I spent most of 1992 averaging between 4-8 hours each week....plus about 100 hours during the last 21 days of the campaign, fighting to see that the guy was elected to the White House. And today, it stands as one of the biggest regrets in my life.

Yup, my medical sales stint was in Arkansas.
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Old 02-09-2007, 09:18 AM   #8
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Jaz - He has my support as well. There may damn well be enough of us to get him the nomination.
Nomination, sure. I'll take odds on his chances in the general election though...despite the fact, at this point, I'd still consder voting for him myself.
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Old 02-09-2007, 09:32 AM   #9
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And I notice that when he lists wars he supports, he doesn't include the invasion of Afghanistan. I've been told that "everyone" supported that war.


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After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administrationís pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.
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Old 02-09-2007, 10:41 AM   #10
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And I notice that when he lists wars he supports, he doesn't include the invasion of Afghanistan. I've been told that "everyone" supported that war.
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After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administrationís pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.
That seems like a generous interpretation to me. Maybe.
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Old 02-09-2007, 10:45 AM   #11
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And I notice that when he lists wars he supports, he doesn't include the invasion of Afghanistan. I've been told that "everyone" supported that war.
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You want a fight, President Bush? Letís finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
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Old 02-09-2007, 10:48 AM   #12
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Old 02-09-2007, 10:52 AM   #13
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What never gets talked about around here is the real reason we are there so it's really irrelevant. You should come up for air when conitinually blowing this guy Taco, at least between orgasms. After all he's a freight train that can't be stopped, right? He doesn't need the help of some taco eatin fool.

For the record I was against the war on Iraq in the beginning as well. My reasons had a lot more to do with why we were actually there though.

Since you know so much about this guy tell me where he falls on the following critical issues that are the tracks your freight train is running on.

Gun control - Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard something about him wanting to ban guns from all major cities. HUGE mistake if true. You would think the Dems would have learned their lesson on this subject. How many times do they have to pay the ultimate price in politics before they learn?

Taxes - Is he for increasing taxes?

Government size - Is he for downsizing or socializing?

Affirmative Action - Please tell me your black freight train named Hussein you support so much isn't making the biggest mistake of all by ostrasizing the majority in this country by backing legalized discrimination against them.

Thanks
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Old 02-09-2007, 11:25 AM   #14
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And I notice that when he lists wars he supports, he doesn't include the invasion of Afghanistan. I've been told that "everyone" supported that war.
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You want a fight, President Bush? Letís finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
I bolded the relevant part of Obama's statement. What's missing from that passage? Why do you think he omitted "military action?"

I thank you for highlighting that section of his speech, because I think it adds credibility to the notion that Obama would fight the GWoT primarily through the use of law enforcement and defensive measures. I *don't* think it supports the idea that Obama would have supported the invasion of Afghanistan.
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Old 02-09-2007, 11:27 AM   #15
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Gun control - Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard something about him wanting to ban guns from all major cities. HUGE mistake if true. You would think the Dems would have learned their lesson on this subject. How many times do they have to pay the ultimate price in politics before they learn?

Taxes - Is he for increasing taxes?

Government size - Is he for downsizing or socializing?

Affirmative Action - Please tell me your black freight train named Hussein you support so much isn't making the biggest mistake of all by ostrasizing the majority in this country by backing legalized discrimination against them.
I don't think you're going to like the answers you get.
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