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Old 09-09-2013, 05:53 PM  
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Eight-year-old Yemeni Child Dies At Hands Of Forty-year-old Husband On Wedding Night

Published September 9th, 2013 - 10:01 GMT via SyndiGate.info

An eight year old child bride died in Yemen on her wedding night after suffering internal injuries due to sexual trauma. Human rights organizations are calling for the arrest of her husband who was five times her age.


The death occurred in the tribal area of Hardh in northwestern Yemen, which borders Saudi Arabia. This brings even more attention to the already existing issue of forced child marriages in the Middle Eastern region.


"According to the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA), between 2011 and 2020, more than 140 million girls will become child brides. Furthermore, of the 140 million girls who will marry before the age of 18, 50 million will be under the age of 15."


It is reported that over a quarter of Yemen's young girls are married before the age of 15. Not only do they lose access to health and education, these child brides are commonly subjected to physical, emotional and sexual violence in their forced marriage.


One of the main issues is that there is currently no consistent established definition of a "child" that has been agreed upon worldwide. This leaves various interpretations within countries and little protection for those who are affected.



Establishing this age limit is among the top priorities of groups like HRC which was responsible for publishing the 54-page report “How Come You Allow Little Girls to Get Married?”, documenting the lifelong damage to girls who are forced to marry young. Most pro age-limit organizations agree that 18 should be the legal age for marriage.


In February 2009, a law was created that set the minimum age for marriage at 17. Unfortunately, it was repealed after more conservative lawmakers called it un-Islamic.
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Old 09-10-2013, 02:05 PM   #46
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Not sure. I'm not a sociologist, I don't study this type of thing. I'm just calling it like I see it. Most societies have evolved over time, creating laws and following practices that help their society propogate and become a better place for everyone, always shooting for perfection, but of course there is no such thing. The Middle east is way behind. Practices such as letting 8 year olds marry 40 year old men, treating women as second class citizens, allowing public stonings, harboring terrorist organizations, etc., all are practices that certainly do not foster a society that flourishes. It is what it is. They are living according to laws and practices that most societies went away from several hundreds of years ago.
Yea, a lot of these societies appear to be very far behind in human rights issues. Especially for women, children and gay people. It seems to me that there is a ruling class of adult males (belonging to a particular ethnicity) in each of these societies. The laws are set up to benefit this ruling class over, above and beyond all other classes. This is such a stereotypical norm that citizens of these societies (especially the ones in power) are stunned when the hierarchy is questioned. This hierarchy is viewed as part of the social fabric and the political identity of the citizenry. Individuals who speak or act out against the norm are considered extremists and/or heretics.
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Old 09-10-2013, 02:16 PM   #47
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Yea, a lot of these societies appear to be very far behind in human rights issues. Especially for women, children and gay people. It seems to me that there is a ruling class of adult males (belonging to a particular ethnicity) in each of these societies. The laws are set up to benefit this ruling class over, above and beyond all other classes. This is such a stereotypical norm that citizens of these societies (especially the ones in power) are stunned when the hierarchy is questioned. This hierarchy is viewed as part of the social fabric and the political identity of the citizenry. Individuals who speak or act out against the norm are considered extremists and/or heretics.
I agree. That is what I mean by less evolved. I don't mean to imply that they have some anatomical difference or anything like that. I do think the level of education, which is a byproduct of societal evolution, has something to do with it, so I do think intelligence plays a role. Uneducated people are probably less likely to try to invoke meaningful change that moves a society in a direction that improves life for the society as a whole.
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I agree. That is what I mean by less evolved. I don't mean to imply that they have some anatomical difference or anything like that. I do think the level of education, which is a byproduct of societal evolution, has something to do with it, so I do think intelligence plays a role. Uneducated people are probably less likely to try to invoke meaningful change that moves a society in a direction that improves life for the society as a whole.
That's where I tend to disagree; the intelligence or educational aspect. At least when using a typical definition of both intelligence and education. I think it was Pawnmower who recently brought up the notion of a spiritual form of intelligence (for lack of better terminology) but I tend to pin it to the ability to feel empathy. I agree that there is a demonstrable link between the effectiveness of the "intelligentsia" and the success of revolutionary thought. True change requires more than that though.
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when you are unable to read, write, and reach the people with a message other than a strictly religious one that will actually get people behind you to pull for change, then it generally only happens through violence.

It's why third world countries often have so much political strife. Such a large percentage of the population can't even read or write. They don't understand that change may be good for them. They are "uneducated" about the ways of the rest of the world.

I think it's a chicken and egg analogy really. Education spawns positive societal change, and positive societal change includes educating the members of the society as to what is best for it to flourish.
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That's where I tend to disagree; the intelligence or educational aspect. At least when using a typical definition of both intelligence and education. I think it was Pawnmower who recently brought up the notion of a spiritual form of intelligence (for lack of better terminology) but I tend to pin it to the ability to feel empathy. I agree that there is a demonstrable link between the effectiveness of the "intelligentsia" and the success of revolutionary thought. True change requires more than that though.
so is ability to feel empathy a genetic trait? If so, is it possible that certain populations havea lower density of the particular trait?
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when you are unable to read, write, and reach the people with a message other than a strictly religious one that will actually get people behind you to pull for change, then it generally only happens through violence.

It's why third world countries often have so much political strife. Such a large percentage of the population can't even read or write. They don't understand that change may be good for them. They are "uneducated" about the ways of the rest of the world.

I think it's a chicken and egg analogy really. Education spawns positive societal change, and positive societal change includes educating the members of the society as to what is best for it to flourish.
Sure. There are other ways though. Just in the day-to-day interactions of regular people. At some point you look at a little girl and see your own sister. Or perhaps your mother who "married" too young, and the troubles that it caused her. But that isn't possible without empathy.
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so is ability to feel empathy a genetic trait? If so, is it possible that certain populations have a lower density of the particular trait?
I've never seen any data that would either support or deny that hypothesis.
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I agree. That is what I mean by less evolved. I don't mean to imply that they have some anatomical difference or anything like that. I do think the level of education, which is a byproduct of societal evolution, has something to do with it, so I do think intelligence plays a role. Uneducated people are probably less likely to try to invoke meaningful change that moves a society in a direction that improves life for the society as a whole.
You compared them to Cro-Magnon and noted that it was an intelligence issue.
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My vote is for some combo of fundamental religion, poverty, patriarchy, and lack of legal protection/systems as opposed to innate differences in intelligence or empathy.

Yemen, Afghanistan, et. al. lack the natural resources and political stability of established democracies. It follows that their development of basic human rights is stunted.

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Does the article not state that conservatives overturned the law because it was not 'Islamic' enough. Most of these incidences happen within extremely conservative religious and political populations and usually with deeply impoverished and uneducated peoples.
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I ask that question because I don't think intelligence has anything to do with it whatsoever. I think the problem is completely and totally rooted in a lack of empathy.
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