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Old 09-11-2013, 05:50 PM  
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New poll finds up to 78% of Republicans shifting toward Libertarianism

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Old 09-11-2013, 07:37 PM   #16
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I am hoping that New Jersey's well deserved reputation as a complete and utter shithole will save America from electing their lizard king to national office.
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:44 PM   #17
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This is why I think someone like Ted Cruz can be so appealing. He is libertarian in many ways but in others he still appeals to the social conservatives. He may be a good "bridge" candidate.
Ted Cruz !!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:47 PM   #18
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Not if you want the GOP base to actually show up he isn't. He might be a better candidate in another 11 years but not in 2016. Cruz can raise a HELL of a lot more money and get the establishment behind him.

I'm fine with damn near anyone but that fatass Christie.
He's winning in nearly every state, can raise money, and has a coalition Cruz doesn't have.

You can't underestimate the grassroots and not all of the establishment is against him like his father (priebus, gingrich, right wing talk radio)
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:52 PM   #19
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Ted Cruz !!!!!!!!!!
Geez, it's really too bad the guy wasn't born in the US. We know how you feel about that sort of thing.
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:57 PM   #20
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He's winning in nearly every state, can raise money, and has a coalition Cruz doesn't have.

You can't underestimate the grassroots and not all of the establishment is against him like his father (priebus, gingrich, right wing talk radio)
Keep dreaming. Cruz would DESTROY Paul on fundraising. I have no problem with the idea of Rand Paul as President but anyone who knows politics and is a realist knows that his chances are very very slim. Stranger things have happened but not many.

Best bet for Paul would be to get on as the VP and run himself in 11 years. If the President he serves under can turn around the mess from Obama then Paul becomes VERY electable.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:07 PM   #21
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Keep dreaming. Cruz would DESTROY Paul on fundraising. I have no problem with the idea of Rand Paul as President but anyone who knows politics and is a realist knows that his chances are very very slim. Stranger things have happened but not many.

Best bet for Paul would be to get on as the VP and run himself in 11 years. If the President he serves under can turn around the mess from Obama then Paul becomes VERY electable.
I'm not sure what you're basing this fundraising thing off of. I've seen Paul raise over 2 million this year and sell out every speaking engagement in all of the early primary states. Ive seen his name at the Woody Johnson fundraising event and the one in Utah with the Romneys. I don't believe Cruz has been to either.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:13 PM   #22
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I'm not sure what you're basing this fundraising thing off of. I've seen Paul raise over 2 million this year and sell out every speaking engagement in all of the early primary states. Ive seen his name at the Woody Johnson fundraising event and the one in Utah with the Romneys. I don't believe Cruz has been to either.
I have heard this same rhetoric before.. let me think.. oh yeah, from when his dad was running. Again, I like Rand Paul (not 100% but I'm not 100% on anyone) but his unrealistic supporters are a bit much at times.

You want to know where the REAL money is? Ask Rove and Barbour... I highly doubt either of them would stand behind Paul unless the rest of the field was as bad as the last time.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:18 PM   #23
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I have heard this same rhetoric before.. let me think.. oh yeah, from when his dad was running. Again, I like Rand Paul (not 100% but I'm not 100% on anyone) but his unrealistic supporters are a bit much at times.

You want to know where the REAL money is? Ask Rove and Barbour... I highly doubt either of them would stand behind Paul unless the rest of the field was as bad as the last time.
You can Google the Romney and Johnson fundraisers if youd like. His father never worked with any of those people. This is where you're mistaken.

His father raised as much as anyone in the republican field not names Romney.

Are you suggesting Rince Preibus the man who controls the RNC and has joines Rand on several speaking engagements doesn't know where the money is? State parties absolutely love Rand Paul they sell out every speaking engagement he attends.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:23 PM   #24
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:26 PM   #25
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You can Google the Romney and Johnson fundraisers if youd like. His father never worked with any of those people. This is where you're mistaken.

His father raised as much as anyone in the republican field not names Romney.

Are you suggesting Rince Preibus the man who controls the RNC and has joines Rand on several speaking engagements doesn't know where the money is? State parties absolutely love Rand Paul they sell out every speaking engagement he attends.
Like I said.. it's a bit much. Keep the faith man but RIGHT NOW the serious money is far more likely to go to a guy like Cruz... although in all honesty Rubio may have the ultimate edge there. It's a long time yet so who knows.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:30 PM   #26
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I think Christie, Bush, and perhaps Rubio is where the big establishment money goes to.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:37 PM   #27
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I think Christie, Bush, and perhaps Rubio is where the big establishment money goes to.
I'm not sure Bush runs and Christie could implode long before then (PLEASE GOD PLEASE!) but you're probably right on Rubio.. although Cruz is far more likely to get the Jesus money.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:10 PM   #28
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Unfortunately those numbers seem to be completely ignored by the GOP powers that be.
Big mistake!
I know more Libertarians than Republicans.
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I agree that the shift is happening, but are there really more libertarians than evangelicals right now? I really doubt it.
There are plenty of us evangelicals that aren't interested in forcing you to live any way other than the way you choose. Personally, I'd appreciate it if everyone would stop murdering unborn babies, but I'm not going to fool myself into believing that we're going to legislate that away after all these decades. So other than that, we're good.
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The poll was conducted by a libertarian think tank. Be very skeptical.

And more than anything, it shows that Republicans are loosening up on moral/ethical issues, which isn't exactly groundbreaking. The idea that 78% of Republicans are shifting libertarian is pretty bold commentary. What I saw is a dramatic shift on social issues, but I've seen nothing that suggests that Republicans lean toward fiscal conservatism and limited government, versus wanting extreme fiscal conservatism.
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