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Old 09-12-2013, 08:47 AM  
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Conservative group wants liberation for western Maryland

Fed up with taxes and Democratic dominance, they want to create 51 state
September 10, 2013|Dan Rodricks

I just returned from a pleasant trip to the mountains and rivers of Garrett County to the dismaying news that a group of conservative Republicans want Garrett and four other Maryland counties to break away and form the 51st state so they can live happily ever after.

I spoke Monday to the leader of what's called the Western Maryland Initiative. Scott Strzelczyk is his name. He doesn't like the word "secession."

He's talking about something different the formation of a new state out of five counties. The U.S. Constitution allows regions to separate with approval from the state legislature and Congress. There are similar efforts around the country. West Virginia is the last state to successfully break away from another, and that was 150 years ago.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...garrett-county
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:11 AM   #16
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It would be interesting to see what would happen if there was a conservative state secede from the union.

Like, just give us one. Give us Montana or something. The new nation gets a Constitution for the 21st century that permanently guarantees limited government. Conservatives from all over decide move there. Etc.

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It's not allowed in the US Constitution. The only state that could conceivably pull it off is Texas and they were the source of the 1869 Supreme Court case (Texas V White) that ruled secession does not exist.

There'd be no logisitical way to secede anyway. What currency would you print? Who would your military be? Do you assume your proportion of the US National debt already incurred?
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:19 AM   #17
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Not that I would know, but what would be the harm? Only problem would be if you had OCD.
It would really boost the economy. The flag making and map making industries in particular.

Edit: Of course, they are probably in China. Oh well.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:22 AM   #18
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why would the state legislature and congress approve it?
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:26 AM   #19
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:26 AM   #20
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Everyone knows this is a portion of a state seceding FROM A STATE, and not the United States, right?
Well, that would require reading the short posted article when it is way easier to just read the thread title only.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:30 AM   #21
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I don't recall arguing that point with you, I think that was Iguana.

I do recall you saying the South was justified in their actions to leave and that, of course, is patently false.
You might be right about loneiguana. I don't recall saying the south was justified, but if I did, it's a matter of opinion that can't be patently false.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:32 AM   #22
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It's not allowed in the US Constitution. The only state that could conceivably pull it off is Texas and they were the source of the 1869 Supreme Court case (Texas V White) that ruled secession does not exist.

There'd be no logisitical way to secede anyway. What currency would you print? Who would your military be? Do you assume your proportion of the US National debt already incurred?
This argument of yours that the constitution doesn't allow it is the same type of argument liberals would use to say that the constitution doesn't allow serious infringements on the right to abortion. It's based on a supreme court interpretation, not on a plain reading of the text.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:37 AM   #24
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It would be interesting to see what would happen if there was a conservative state secede from the union.

Like, just give us one. Give us Montana or something. The new nation gets a Constitution for the 21st century that permanently guarantees limited government. Conservatives from all over decide move there. Etc.

Would be a good topic for a film if someone other than hollywood libs made films
our gov't is assimilating countries around the world at a frantic rate using lethal force if necessary -- nice dream, but there really is no way to escape the long poisonous arm of US policy as a group or society.
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This argument of yours that the constitution doesn't allow it is the same type of argument liberals would use to say that the constitution doesn't allow serious infringements on the right to abortion. It's based on a supreme court interpretation, not on a plain reading of the text.
Constitutionally speaking, abortion is settled law.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:50 AM   #26
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It would be interesting to see what would happen if there was a conservative state secede from the union.

Like, just give us one. Give us Montana or something. The new nation gets a Constitution for the 21st century that permanently guarantees limited government. Conservatives from all over decide move there. Etc.

Would be a good topic for a film if someone other than hollywood libs made films
already been done and it sucked. see atlas shrugged (shitty story too btw)
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Constitutionally speaking, abortion is settled law.
So was the Separate but Equal doctrine from Plessy v. Ferguson, at one time.
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already been done and it sucked. see atlas shrugged (shitty story too btw)
Just wait a few more weeks, there are going to be a few more people shrugging.
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So was the Separate but Equal doctrine from Plessy v. Ferguson, at one time.
Right. Is there a point buried in here somewhere?
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Right. Is there a point buried in here somewhere?
Yes, is it buried too deep for you?
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