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Old 09-14-2013, 08:55 AM  
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Earth Gains A Record Amount Of Sea Ice In 2013

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Old 09-24-2013, 10:45 PM   #136
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No, dummy. The sky is not falling. But nice hyperbola.

Climate change is happening. And the science behind it isn't recommending carbon taxes or any such nonsense. That's simply political bullshit piggybacking, and I don't even agree with it. The only real lesson is that it's happening and we need to study it more and figure out what if anything can be done to actually change what's happening. Ignoring it is not the answer.

Produce legit data showing me it's a scam, and I'll believe you. The climate change denier articles so far, including the one in the OP, have been proven inaccurate. Nobody bothers to respond to the links and resources with actual data and references....
Climate change has ALWAYS happened and guess what...we're still here. Produce legit data showing me impending doom please. In the meantime stay out of my pocket.
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Old 09-24-2013, 10:55 PM   #137
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Climate change has ALWAYS happened and guess what...we're still here. Produce legit data showing me impending doom please. In the meantime stay out of my pocket.
I'm not claiming impending doom dumbshit. Read what I wrote. I'm vehemently against any government imposed carbon tax or any other such government bullshit. This is not a government issue. This is a global social issue. I don't want in your nasty pocket. I want you to look at the data and consider what it could mean for your grandkids. That doesn't mean asking you to make drastic changes. Just educate yourself with as much data as possible. There's lots of legit data. I've posted some. Acknowledging climate change does not mean committing to a future Obama tax. It's not political at all.
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Old 09-24-2013, 10:59 PM   #138
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But wait...Records dat back to 1978. How much data do you need anyway. 1978 was like so 70's anyway

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...high-saturday/

On Saturday, the ice extent reached 19.51 million square kilometers, according to data posted on the National Snow and Ice Data Center Web site. That number bested record high levels set earlier this month and in 2012 (of 19.48 million square kilometers). Records date back to October 1978.
The article does say that the ice is growing over water that is warming.
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FYI..... this is the record high that they mention. Followed by the incredible low in the middle of winter.. A 12 point extent difference in only a matter of 3 months. Short term is irrelevant.......

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2012, 11, 25, 14.83166, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
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2012, 11, 27, 14.24520, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
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2012, 12, 21, 9.30997, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
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2012, 12, 23, 8.84706, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
2012, 12, 24, 8.56027, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
2012, 12, 25, 8.33934, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
2012, 12, 26, 8.05420, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
2012, 12, 27, 7.91177, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
2012, 12, 28, 7.74900, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
2012, 12, 29, 7.54153, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
2012, 12, 30, 7.32324, 0.00000, ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/pub/DATASE..._f17_v01_s.bin
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:20 PM   #140
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If we had 10000 years of data it would still be a pimple on the ass of Earth's history of climate.


I am all for sensible changes in cleaning up humankind's mess, but let's not go full-retard on something based on very little data.
I pretty much full in line with this it's obvious man has affected climate it doesn't mean the world is going to be dead in 10 years
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:36 PM   #141
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Im just praying that those little seals and otters are okay. I dont know what we wouod ever do if those little bastards went extinct. Humanity would be ruined
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:40 PM   #142
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I pretty much full in line with this it's obvious man has affected climate it doesn't mean the world going to be dead in 10 years
Sure. And it's a pretty complicated looking process. We can't even predict if it will rain properly, or what local temps will be ten days from now. Much less get a firm grip on climate change.
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Im just praying that those little seals and otters are okay. I dont know what we wouod ever do if those little bastards went extinct. Humanity would be ruined

I wonder what seals taste like.
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All true: 1. worldwide, 2012 was among the 10 warmest years on record. -
2. average lower strastospheric temperature, about six to ten miles above the Earth’s surface, for 2012 was record or near-record cold, depending on the dataset -
3. the last 15 years have seen a leveling of world temperatures. 4. Arctic ice is lower than 4 years ago and higher than last year. 5 Antartic frozen mass is larger
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Ever since college I have been a libertarian—socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I believe in individual liberty and personal responsibility. I also believe in science as the greatest instrument ever devised for understanding the world. So what happens when these two principles are in conflict? My libertarian beliefs have not always served me well. Like most people who hold strong ideological convictions, I find that, too often, my beliefs trump the scientific facts. This is called motivated reasoning, in which our brain reasons our way to supporting what we want to be true. Knowing about the existence of motivated reasoning, however, can help us over- come it when it is at odds with evidence.

Take gun control. I always accepted the libertarian position of minimum regulation in the sale and use of firearms because I placed guns under the beneficial rubric of minimal restrictions on individuals. Then I read the science on guns and homicides, suicides and accidental shootings (summarized in my May column) and realized that the freedom for me to swing my arms ends at your nose. The libertarian belief in the rule of law and a potent police and military to protect our rights won’t work if the citizens of a nation are better armed but have no training and few restraints. Although the data to convince me that we need some gun-control measures were there all along, I had ignored them because they didn’t fit my creed. In several recent debates with economist John R. Lott, Jr., author of More Guns, Less Crime, I saw a reflection of my former self in the cherry picking and data mining of studies to suit ideological convictions. We all do it, and when the science is complicated, the confirmation bias (a type of motivated reasoning) that directs the mind to seek and find confirming facts and ignore disconfirming evidence kicks in.

My libertarianism also once clouded my analysis of climate change. I was a longtime skeptic, mainly because it seemed to me that liberals were exaggerating the case for global warming as a kind of secular millenarianism—an environmental apocalypse requiring drastic government action to save us from doomsday through countless regulations that would handcuff the economy and restrain capitalism, which I hold to be the greatest enemy of poverty. Then I went to the primary scientific literature on climate and discovered that there is convergent evidence from multiple lines of inquiry that global warming is real and human-caused: temperatures increasing, glaciers melting, Arctic ice vanishing, Antarctic ice cap shrinking, sea- level rise corresponding with the amount of melting ice and thermal expansion, carbon dioxide touching the level of 400 parts per million (the highest in at least 800,000 years and the fastest increase ever), and the confirmed prediction that if anthropogenic global warming is real the stratosphere and upper troposphere should cool while the lower troposphere should warm, which is the case.

The clash between scientific facts and ideologies was on display at the 2013 FreedomFest conference in Las Vegas—the largest gathering of libertarians in the world—where I participated in two debates, one on gun control and the other on climate change. I love FreedomFest because it supercharges my belief engine. But this year I was so discouraged by the ram- pant denial of science that I wanted to turn in my libertarian membership card. At the gun-control debate (as in my debates with Lott around the country), proposing even modest measures that would have almost no effect on freedom—such as background checks—brought on opprobrium as if I had burned a copy of the U.S. Constitution on stage. In the climate debate, when I showed that between 90 and 98 percent of climate scientists accept anthropogenic global warming, someone shout- ed, “LIAR!” and stormed out of the room.
Liberals and conservatives are motivated reasoners, too, of course, and not all libertarians deny science, but all of us are subject to the psychological forces at play when it comes to choosing between facts and beliefs when they do not mesh. In the long run, it is better to understand the way the world really is rather than how we would like it to be."

Scientific American October 2013 Issue.
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:08 AM   #146
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If you all would like the scientific reasoning for the prediction about temperature behavior through all of the atmosphere I will gladly give you that explanation to improve your insight.
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I am kind of surprised to see that the climate change deniers have changed their tune and are now saying yes we know it exists and man did it. What we do about it is the question rather than whether it exists or not. So that's a change.
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I am kind of surprised to see that the climate change deniers have changed their tune and are now saying yes we know it exists and man did it. What we do about it is the question rather than whether it exists or not. So that's a change.
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