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Earth Gains A Record Amount Of Sea Ice In 2013

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Old 09-24-2013, 01:52 PM   #121
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95 per cent of intelligent people know the new IPCC report is utter drivel

Experts 95 per cent certain 'humans are responsible for global warming'.

Well, of course they are. If there is one overriding prerequisite of every new IPCC Assessment report, it's to sound even more scary and urgent and certain than its predecessor.

Professor Bob Carter noted this progression in his excellent book Climate: the Counter Consensus:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Climate-Coun...nter+consensus

First Assessment Report (1990) – "The observed [twentieth century] temperature increase could be largely due…to natural variability."

Second Assessment Report (1996) – "The balance of the evidence suggests a discernible human influence on climate."

Third Assessment Report (2001) – "There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last fifty years is attributable to human activities."

Fourth Assessment Report (2007) – "Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperature since the mid-twentieth century is very likely [= 90 per cent probable] due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations."

The irony is, of course, that the third, fourth and fifth assessment reports were all produced in a period of rising CO2 levels in which there has been no "global warming" whatsoever. You'd imagine that, had the scientific method been more highly valued by the IPCC, this rather glaring flaw in AGW theory might have been afforded more prominence. But this is not the IPCC Assessment Reports' job. As Christopher Booker and others have often noted, the IPCC's reports are essentially political artefacts rather than scientific ones. This is why some governments – including Germany's and Belgium's – have been manoeuvring behind the scenes to have the new IPCC report "sexed up". The scientific reality – that global warming has paused for 15 years; that climate sensitivity appears to be far smaller than the scaremongering computer models predicted – cannot be allowed to derail all the expensive and intrusive programmes (from wind farms to green investment banks to hideous, flickery, dull low energy light bulbs) which have been introduced in order to "combat climate change."

I don't think many of my colleagues in the Fourth Estate have exactly covered themselves in glory in exposing what looks, increasingly, like the biggest pseudo-scientific scam in history. (Lysenkoism, for all its faults, at least confined itself to the Communist bloc. This one has affected the whole world). On the contrary, they have acted as its cheerleaders, reporting each new report as uncritically as Pravda journalists diligently covering the dazzling brilliance, humanity and insight of Comrade Stalin's latest five hour speech on improved wheat yields and tractor production.

Andrew Bolt has been facing similar problems in Australia, especially with the irredeemably left-wing state broadcaster ABC.

For years, most in the mainstream media didn't just refuse to question the great global warming scare, but howled down the few who dared to.

Journalists became propagandists, even witch-hunters. And the biggest cabal of them gathered in the ABC.

Four years ago,for instance, I was a panellist on the ABC's Insiders program and mentioned the warming pause.

Fellow panellist David Marr asked me not to refer to it again and then ostentatiously buried his head in a newspaper. La la la la, not listening.

Marr, of course, was a former host of the ABC's Media Watch, which for years, under various hosts, hounded warming sceptics and gave the Flannerys a free pass.

The other panellist was *Annabel Crabb, now an ABC host. She, too, demanded we talk about something else, and on another Insiders show, mocked my quoting of scores of studies which showed the warming theory wasn't working out as the likes of Flannery claimed.

"You put a million posts on your blog about some new study from the University of East Bumcrack," she scoffed.

Then, of course, there is the Guardian/Observer, whose relentlessly hysterical, unfailingly uncritical coverage of the global warming scare is sharply analysed here by Ben Pile. Here's how it begins:

In today’s Observer, Robin McKie channels scientists…

Climate change: IPCC issues stark warning over global warming
Call to ‘stop dithering about fossil fuel cuts’ as expert panel warns entire globe is affected

This is now part of the ritual established by the Guardian whenever the routine, scheduled, planned, expected, and timetabled publishing of IPCC assessment reports or UNFCCC COP meetings occur. These events are in every case presented as always new, more comprehensive, deeper, and more ‘stark’ than previous pronouncements on climate change, even when the reports say very little or nothing at all that is new, and even suggest that things aren’t as bad ‘as previously thought’.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...-utter-drivel/
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Old 09-24-2013, 02:58 PM   #122
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Dunno if this one ever hit the site, but here ya go. Basically, more of what we already know - liberals are dumbasses...
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Old 09-24-2013, 05:34 PM   #123
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Dunno if this one ever hit the site, but here ya go. Basically, more of what we already know - liberals are dumbasses...
All true: 1. worldwide, 2012 was among the 10 warmest years on record. -
2. average lower strastospheric temperature, about six to ten miles above the Earth’s surface, for 2012 was record or near-record cold, depending on the dataset - 3. the last 15 years have seen a leveling of world temperatures. 4. Arctic ice is lower than 4 years ago and higher than last year. 5 Antartic frozen mass is larger
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:16 PM   #124
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Looking at one single year and saying that disproves anything is pretty irrelevant anyway. Look at patterns over many years. Look at actual unbiased data rather than opinions from conservative websites.
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:38 PM   #125
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More ice means Global Warming. How hard is that to understand?
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:24 PM   #126
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The extent of the melting of Arctic Sea ice has reached its peak for 2013, and the ice is now growing again as the seasons change into Fall and Winter, say scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Although the ice did not melt as much as it did in 2012, when Arctic sea ice reached record lows, it was still well below the 1981-2010 average, as you can see in the chart below.



“While this is a very welcome recovery from last year’s record low, the overall trend is still decidedly downwards,” said NSIDC director Mark Serreze in a statement.

You can see the overall downward trend in the chart below.



This pattern is expected to continue as average global temperatures continue to rise, leading to further Arctic Ice melts. The volume of sea ice – that is, how thick the Arctic ice is, has also been steadily declining over the same period. And although the charts above only go back to the 80s, the loss of sea ice began several decades prior to that. In 2011, a paper published in Nature estimating Arctic ice extent for the past 1450 years shows a sharp decline in Arctic ice beginning in the mid-20th century.

“The pattern we’ve seen so far is an overall downward trend in summer ice extent, punctuated by ups and downs due to natural variability in weather patterns and ocean conditions,” Serreze said.

Accelerated melting isn’t only being seen in the Arctic, either. A recent paper published in Science shows the first comprehensive measurement of glacier melts in Antarctica, and the news isn’t good.

These researchers explored the Pine Island Glacier, which is located on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, an area of the continent that’s already seeing temperatures rising faster than predicted. And in their measurements, they found that warm waters are actually melting parts of the glacier from below, in some cases as fast as 2 inches per day.

“This particular site is crucial, because the bottom of the ice in that sector of Antarctica is grounded well below sea level and is particularly vulnerable to melt from the ocean and break up,” researcher Martin Truffer said in a press release.

These changes at both poles signal the ongoing effect of rising temperatures. And in the case of the Antarctic glaciers, have serious implications for how fast sea levels will rise in the coming decades. The work of the researchers in Antarctica should help to provide better data to forecast exactly what those implications will be for the future.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknap...est-on-record/
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:36 PM   #127
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If we had 10000 years of data it would still be a pimple on the ass of Earth's history of climate.


I am all for sensible changes in cleaning up humankind's mess, but let's not go full-retard on something based on very little data.
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Regarding 2012 and ice extent... here's a really good article with lots of references to real data:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astro...ow_levels.html
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:57 PM   #129
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No rebuttal to Fish's elegant post. Dude provides graphs and evidence from NASA, yet people still aren't swayed.

And you don't think politicians influence(thug) these depts to get their data they want for their political agenda threatening them if they don't they get no more $$$$ ????

Yeah, I wake up every day and global warming/climate change whatever the hell you want to call it is the first thing on my mind Such an F"N Scam pure and simple !!
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The extent of the melting of Arctic Sea ice has reached its peak for 2013, and the ice is now growing again as the seasons change into Fall and Winter, say scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Although the ice did not melt as much as it did in 2012, when Arctic sea ice reached record lows, it was still well below the 1981-2010 average, as you can see in the chart below.



“While this is a very welcome recovery from last year’s record low, the overall trend is still decidedly downwards,” said NSIDC director Mark Serreze in a statement.

You can see the overall downward trend in the chart below.



This pattern is expected to continue as average global temperatures continue to rise, leading to further Arctic Ice melts. The volume of sea ice – that is, how thick the Arctic ice is, has also been steadily declining over the same period. And although the charts above only go back to the 80s, the loss of sea ice began several decades prior to that. In 2011, a paper published in Nature estimating Arctic ice extent for the past 1450 years shows a sharp decline in Arctic ice beginning in the mid-20th century.

“The pattern we’ve seen so far is an overall downward trend in summer ice extent, punctuated by ups and downs due to natural variability in weather patterns and ocean conditions,” Serreze said.

Accelerated melting isn’t only being seen in the Arctic, either. A recent paper published in Science shows the first comprehensive measurement of glacier melts in Antarctica, and the news isn’t good.

These researchers explored the Pine Island Glacier, which is located on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, an area of the continent that’s already seeing temperatures rising faster than predicted. And in their measurements, they found that warm waters are actually melting parts of the glacier from below, in some cases as fast as 2 inches per day.

“This particular site is crucial, because the bottom of the ice in that sector of Antarctica is grounded well below sea level and is particularly vulnerable to melt from the ocean and break up,” researcher Martin Truffer said in a press release.

These changes at both poles signal the ongoing effect of rising temperatures. And in the case of the Antarctic glaciers, have serious implications for how fast sea levels will rise in the coming decades. The work of the researchers in Antarctica should help to provide better data to forecast exactly what those implications will be for the future.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknap...est-on-record/
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And you don't think politicians influence(thug) these depts to get their data they want for their political agenda threatening them if they don't they get no more $$$$ ????

Yeah, I wake up every day and global warming/climate change whatever the hell you want to call it is the first thing on my mind Such an F"N Scam pure and simple !!
That's dumb. The US government doesn't have sole possession of the data on climate change. For instance, the IPCC consists of many different countries and is in no way under the direct influence of the US government. Climate change is much bigger than the US government. The data is not coming from the US government.
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Old 09-24-2013, 09:21 PM   #132
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No, dummy. The sky is not falling. But nice hyperbola.

Climate change is happening. And the science behind it isn't recommending carbon taxes or any such nonsense. That's simply political bullshit piggybacking, and I don't even agree with it. The only real lesson is that it's happening and we need to study it more and figure out what if anything can be done to actually change what's happening. Ignoring it is not the answer.

Produce legit data showing me it's a scam, and I'll believe you. The climate change denier articles so far, including the one in the OP, have been proven inaccurate. Nobody bothers to respond to the links and resources with actual data and references....
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No. But the wind has started to blow toward the south pole and its piling all the ice in one spot. You should know that. Big Ice baby. Big wind and big ice.
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If we had 10000 years of data it would still be a pimple on the ass of Earth's history of climate.


I am all for sensible changes in cleaning up humankind's mess, but let's not go full-retard on something based on very little data.
But wait...Records dat back to 1978. How much data do you need anyway. 1978 was like so 70's anyway

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...high-saturday/

On Saturday, the ice extent reached 19.51 million square kilometers, according to data posted on the National Snow and Ice Data Center Web site. That number bested record high levels set earlier this month and in 2012 (of 19.48 million square kilometers). Records date back to October 1978.
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But wait...Records dat back to 1978. How much data do you need anyway. 1978 was like so 70's anyway

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...high-saturday/

On Saturday, the ice extent reached 19.51 million square kilometers, according to data posted on the National Snow and Ice Data Center Web site. That number bested record high levels set earlier this month and in 2012 (of 19.48 million square kilometers). Records date back to October 1978.
Again.... look at the pattern in the data.

Seriously, click the link that your article references for data.

Here's the direct link. Look at the data points. Look at the variation in the short time frame. Seriously.... Scroll down to the bottom and look at the data points....

ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/N...tent_final.csv

Only 3 months after the supposed high ice extent volume, it dropped from 19.4 to 7.2 million square kilometers. In the middle of December for crying out loud. These are natural yearly cycles that vary quite a bit. You have to look at the overall pattern over many years to see climate change over time.. This is how these pseudoscience articles make their claims. Based on very short time frames.

This is why these climate denial reports focus on such a very small time frame. Because that's the only thing that fits their argument. But you have to look at the overall pattern...

Even your own data can't hide the truth...
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