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Old 09-16-2013, 10:51 AM  
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WASHINGTON -- Six people were killed and several more wounded when at least one gunman opened fire Monday at the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters here, the Navy said.

Washington Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier said one shooter was dead and that police were searching for two more possible shooters. She said one officer was shot in an "engagement'' with one shooter.

"One shooter is deceased,'' she said. "We have multiple victims inside who are deceased. We potentially have two other shooters who have not been located.'

Lanier said police are searching for a white male wearing a tan military-style uniform with short sleeves, a military beret and a hand gun. Police are also searching for a black man around 50 years old wearing an olive drab military style uniform and carrying a long gun, Lanier said.

She said there was no evidence that the suspects were military members.

A federal law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the fluid nature of the investigation, said authorities were investigating the possibility of other shooters, but there was no immediate evidence beyond the single assailant.

Washington DC Mayor Vincent Gray called the incident a "horrific tragedy" and lauded police for their quick response.

Media outlets including CBS and the Associated Press, citing the Navy, said the number of dead had risen to six. Major Ed Buclatin, the public affairs chief for the Navy Installations Command, earlier had tweeted "four killed and eight injured." He also tweeted that reports of more than one shooter had not been confirmed.

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Old 09-17-2013, 09:04 PM   #136
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:04 PM   #137
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Hey Dave, somewhere a little girl is saying her bedtime prayers. You should go kick her in the face and tell her there is no God.
Well Timmy this is a double edged sword for you. If the government removes the ability for the mentally incompetent to buy guns you won't be able to shoot your fridge.

However you will be green with envy when others on this board can buy assault rifles.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:08 PM   #138
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Well Timmy this is a double edged sword for you. If the government removes the ability for the mentally incompetent to buy guns you won't be able to shoot your fridge.

However you will be green with envy when others on this board can buy assault rifles.
I've already got mine, Alanis. Surely you didn't miss that while you've been pouring over everything I ever posted here?
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:09 PM   #139
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I assume you get your extra cream from your boyfriend, right?
But what would Jesus do Timmy?
He certainly didn't call the Romans pillowbiters when they nailed him to the cross.
If you're going to defend your religious views then own them.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:10 PM   #140
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you won't be able to shoot your fridge.


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Old 09-17-2013, 09:10 PM   #141
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Almost once an hour – every 65 minutes to be precise – a military veteran commits suicide, says a new investigation by the Department of Veterans Affairs. By far the most extensive study of veteran suicides ever conducted, the report, issued Friday, examined suicide data from 1999 to 2010.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:11 PM   #142
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I've already got mine, Alanis. Surely you didn't miss that while you've been pouring over everything I ever posted here?
Nah I didn't bother to go reread your posts. Regurgitated slurs get boring and I have other things to do Timmy.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:12 PM   #144
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You do realize that these statements made in the article are utter bullshit right? Plus one nasty bit about gun laws....especially the more complex they get is that the people who are expected to enforce often know the least about it. It's generally arrest everyone and let the DA decide if they should prosecute.

So if you want to see the VA laws in question they're here. The only requirements that would have prohibited him from purchasing any long arm is if it would be prohibited from being bought in his resident state. But that is actually a FEDERAL law not a state one...so it depends upon what his state of residence was.

here's the code listings in question.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...d+18.2-308.2C2



This is the definition they are trying to refer to in question...IF he wanted to buy an AR and 100% be certain he had no issue all that he would have to do is buy one with a magazine of 20rds or less and no folding stock(almost NO ARs have a folding stock because of how they operate...they have telescoping stocks which are different). Considering that many ARs come with 20rd magazines this would have been a non issue to get around.

Here is the only term referring to 'assualt firearms'



If he couldn't have bought it then he certainly could not have legally rented it either.



This is basically the standard clause that says out of state can buy rifles and shotguns. The only general exception to being able to buy rifles and shotguns out of state is that it must follow the laws of your home state. if your home state is OK with it no problem. If he could have legally bought the shotgun and rented the AR then he could have legally bought the AR.
I think you have the right statute, but the wrong subsection. Subsection (C) looks like the one that probably prevented the sale:

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C. No dealer shall sell, rent, trade or transfer from his inventory any firearm, except when the transaction involves a rifle or a shotgun and can be accomplished pursuant to the provisions of subdivision B 5 to any person who is not a resident of Virginia unless he has first obtained from the Department of State Police a report indicating that a search of all available criminal history record information has not disclosed that the person is prohibited from possessing or transporting a firearm under state or federal law. The dealer shall obtain the required report by mailing or delivering the written consent form required under subsection A to the State Police within 24 hours of its execution. If the dealer has complied with the provisions of this subsection and has not received the required report from the State Police within 10 days from the date the written consent form was mailed to the Department of State Police, he shall not be deemed in violation of this section for thereafter completing the sale or transfer.
Regardless, the point was that yesterday there were people claiming these laws were totally ineffectual, and here in this very case, the guy was effectively blocked from his quest. If he had in fact scored a semi-auto rifle, maybe he could have had a more effective killing plan.

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He choose not too, likely because like any one gone through bootcamp would know if you want something for close quarters you buy a shotgun.

Hell I personally don't keep any firearm for self defense, but if anyone I know asks me I tell them if you want one for self defense you buy a shotgun, you don't buy a pistol for self defense at home unless you are willing to train monthly to be able to use it well. Shotguns are WAY more effective at close range.
Shotguns are great for home defense, but sometimes not the optimal weapon. I wouldn't want one to defend an isolated ranch style house near the southern border, for instance. Also, if you live in an apartment, cramped narrow halls and maneuverability might dictate a pistol or revolver.

This guy wasn't in close quarters he was in a large naval building/yard. AR would've been more effective in this situation, IMO. Especially considering that a pump shotgun, you are pretty much limited to the 5-7 in the tube and then reloading is a bigger bitch than even a revolver. I'm guessing that's why he went right for the officers' glocks.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:12 PM   #145
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But what would Jesus do Timmy?
He certainly didn't call the Romans fans when they nailed him to the cross.
If you're going to defend your religious views then own them.
Fail, Alanis. I'm not religious at all. I just don't get all twitchy every time I see a crucifix or drive past a church like your gal pal Dave.
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Those poor kids.
Exactly, we have a huge mental health issue. If Obama wanted to do something for this country he would ramp up the care of our veterans.
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Banyon I still owe you a response to your response to my original post but things have been to busy to do it right now. Hopefully later tonight.
No problem it got lengthy.
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Exactly, we have a huge mental health issue. If Obama wanted to do something for this country he would ramp up the care of our veterans.
They give so much to us and our government and the system shits all over them.


Veterans are criminally neglected. They should be treated better than the members of Congress.
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No problem it got lengthy.
That's what she said?
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They give so much to us and our government and the system shits all over them.


Veterans are criminally neglected. They should be treated better than the members of Congress.
Couldn't agree more with what you've said.
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