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Old 09-16-2013, 11:51 AM  
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WASHINGTON -- Six people were killed and several more wounded when at least one gunman opened fire Monday at the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters here, the Navy said.

Washington Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier said one shooter was dead and that police were searching for two more possible shooters. She said one officer was shot in an "engagement'' with one shooter.

"One shooter is deceased,'' she said. "We have multiple victims inside who are deceased. We potentially have two other shooters who have not been located.'

Lanier said police are searching for a white male wearing a tan military-style uniform with short sleeves, a military beret and a hand gun. Police are also searching for a black man around 50 years old wearing an olive drab military style uniform and carrying a long gun, Lanier said.

She said there was no evidence that the suspects were military members.

A federal law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the fluid nature of the investigation, said authorities were investigating the possibility of other shooters, but there was no immediate evidence beyond the single assailant.

Washington DC Mayor Vincent Gray called the incident a "horrific tragedy" and lauded police for their quick response.

Media outlets including CBS and the Associated Press, citing the Navy, said the number of dead had risen to six. Major Ed Buclatin, the public affairs chief for the Navy Installations Command, earlier had tweeted "four killed and eight injured." He also tweeted that reports of more than one shooter had not been confirmed.

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Old 09-17-2013, 06:53 PM   #106
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Gee, maybe if these people were allowed to carry weapons (it's not like they were social workers) somebody could have greased this turd before he lit up half the building. Same thing with Fort Hood.

If this psycho had known a large number of people in the building were armed, HE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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Old 09-17-2013, 07:01 PM   #107
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Gee, maybe if these people were allowed to carry weapons (it's not like they were social workers) somebody could have greased this turd before he lit up half the building. Same thing with Fort Hood.

If this psycho had known a large number of people in the building were armed, HE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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There was a debate about arming troops on non-war bases again after the Ft. Hood shooting.

It was decided that giving troops arms would kill more people on the bases than a crazy person killer would. Think about that. The DOD thinks our own troops are more of a danger to the other troops than a crazy person with a gun.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:04 PM   #108
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22 currently serving military members commit suicide every single day. 27/7/365.

There was a debate about arming troops on non-war bases again after the Ft. Hood shooting.

It was decided that giving troops arms would kill more people on the bases than a crazy person killer would. Think about that. The DOD thinks our own troops are more of a danger to the other troops than a crazy person with a gun.
I think that decision sucks. And besides, these people all have guns. If they want to do this, nothing's stopping them, so their potential victims might as well be armed.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:05 PM   #109
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The military never issues arms to its troops unless you are in a war zone. Been that way for a long time, assuming since WWII.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:07 PM   #110
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well besides MP and the police. Guards at the gates etc. No one else. Not even the Generals are allowed to carry a side arm or keep one in the office.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:09 PM   #111
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Gee, maybe if these people were allowed to carry weapons (it's not like they were social workers) somebody could have greased this turd before he lit up half the building. Same thing with Fort Hood.

If this psycho had known a large number of people in the building were armed, HE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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“With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:12 PM   #112
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22 currently serving military members commit suicide every single day. 27/7/365.

There was a debate about arming troops on non-war bases again after the Ft. Hood shooting.

It was decided that giving troops arms would kill more people on the bases than a crazy person killer would. Think about that. The DOD thinks our own troops are more of a danger to the other troops than a crazy person with a gun.
I don't think every single serviceman needs to be armed on base. But are MP's enough? Serious question.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:14 PM   #113
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well besides MP and the police. Guards at the gates etc. No one else. Not even the Generals are allowed to carry a side arm or keep one in the office.
So all some psycho, or more alarmingly, group of motivated non-psychos, have to do is get past that first guy. They'll get taken down eventually, but not before blood's running in rivers.

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Old 09-17-2013, 07:18 PM   #114
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I don't think every single serviceman needs to be armed on base. But are MP's enough? Serious question.
No, its not enough. Thats why everyone knows what they are suppose to do when an active shooter is running around until the Calvary arrives.

But, the DOD has decided that are soldiers can't be trusted with weapons, except in a war environment.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:21 PM   #115
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So all some psycho, or more alarmingly, group of motivated non-psychos, have to do is get past that first guy. They'll get taken down eventually, but not before blood's running in rivers.

Unfortunately that post has too much truth for me to think about.
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Unfortunately that post has too much truth for me to think about.
That's pretty much every mass shooting. It's not like the angry lone psycho targets a gun store, or a police station.

Amazingly simple concept that people just.... can't.... seem.... to..... grasp.
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...I think we could also benefit from a no-sell list, on which licensed psychiatrists can place mental patients suffering from disorders like this, and which would prevent them from passing a firearm background check, while automatically notifying the psychiatrist of the attempt. It wouldn't have to be permanent - patients who get better can later be removed - and I would be OK with limiting placing privileges to actual psychiatrists, who are MD's, and not psychologists or counselors, who aren't. To me, this wouldn't be a gun control option as much as it is a method to identify a mental health patient who is completely imploding.

The issue can admittedly get really complicated and emotional, but this specific case seems like simple fixes can keep it from happening again.
I think you might be onto something, but do you think that putting that kind of option in the hands of psychiatrists could cause some really crazy people not to seek psychiatric help? Or that it might cause psychiatrists to place every patient on the list, lest they be held responsible in some way later?
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I think you might be onto something, but do you think that putting that kind of option in the hands of psychiatrists could cause some really crazy people not to seek psychiatric help? Or that it might cause psychiatrists to place every patient on the list, lest they be held responsible in some way later?
Good points. Plus, there's the doctor/patient confidentiality issue.

Still....I don't want the crazies armed or the crooks armed.
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...until the Calvary arrives...
It's hard not to get those words confused sometimes.
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It's hard not to get those words confused sometimes.
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