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Old 09-17-2013, 08:51 AM  
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GOP can't win Latinos due to NRA

Pro-gun policies, NRA, may undercut GOP Latino outreach
Jane C. Timm, @janestreet
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Republican opposition to gun control measures may damage the party amongst Latino voters, even as the party works to rebuild its image amongst the country’s fastest-growing voter block.

Just 18% of Latinos own guns, making them less likely than any other racial demographic to own a firearm, and they value gun rights less than any other demographic, according to a February Gallup poll. An April 2012 poll found that 57% of white voters ranked gun rights over that of gun ownership, as opposed to 29% of Latinos who ranked gun rights over gun ownership.

“Community violence and gun violence is something that has a deep impact within the Latino community, Latinos are about seven times more likely to die at the hands of a gun,” explained Jennifer Ng’andu, the director of health and civil rights at National Council of La Raza.


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Old 09-18-2013, 05:54 PM   #46
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What do illegal immigrants have to do with his post? Is this an admission that democrats count on votes from illegals?
The argument doesn't change. Legal or illegal, immigrants still receive less welfare than Others. And my study from CATO addresses both.

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Really sounds like dependency.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:23 PM   #47
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Is your entire argument that the use services they pay for, therefore what?

Here is another example and source of them paying more then they receive using actual Data, not your own personal hypotheticals.

http://www.californiahealthline.org/...ve-in-benefits
Other than the undeniable fact they should be locked up and deported or laws should be in place to discourage them from being here you may have a point~
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:33 PM   #48
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Amnesty for illegals is Obamas number one priority. Isn't that awesome? All those hiding in western Kansas can party on the taxpayer dime!!! Muy bueno!!!
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:41 PM   #49
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Amnesty for illegals is Obamas number one priority. Isn't that awesome? All those hiding in western Kansas can party on the taxpayer dime!!! Muy bueno!!!
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:45 PM   #50
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Other than the undeniable fact they should be locked up and deported or laws should be in place to discourage them from being here you may have a point~
If you want to spend that kinda of money, okay.

It would be cheaper to go after those that create demand for illegals by hiring them.

Or fixing the broken immigration system.

But deporting them isn't discouragement because they can just come back and get a job. Getting a job is pretty big encouragement. Stop the employment of illegals you stop the illegal immigration, or at least majorly dent it.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:46 PM   #51
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Amnesty for illegals is Obamas number one priority. Isn't that awesome? All those hiding in western Kansas can party on the taxpayer dime!!! Muy bueno!!!
Keep up that outreach.
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:01 PM   #52
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It would be cheaper to go after those that create demand for illegals by hiring them.

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This which was in my post if you would have bothered to think it out before your reply~
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:06 PM   #53
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This which was in my post if you would have bothered to think it out before your reply~
I thought about it.

You lead with deportation and imprisonment, nor did you specify what you meant by laws discouraging them from being here.

I said what you were specific about wouldn't work, and specified what would work that you left vague.

If you agree, cool. But, I couldn't tell from the post.
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The argument doesn't change. Legal or illegal, immigrants still receive less welfare than Others. And my study from CATO addresses both.

Maybe you missed this part:


Really sounds like dependency.
The argument wasn't about who receives less welfare. And no, it doesn't.
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:14 PM   #55
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I thought about it.

You lead with deportation and imprisonment, nor did you specify what you meant by laws discouraging them from being here.

I said what you were specific about wouldn't work, and specified what would work that you left vague.

If you agree, cool. But, I couldn't tell from the post.
They should be locked up and deported, sadly both parties want them here for cheap labor and refuse to control the boarders. Only one party is smart enough to harvest the vote by allowing this to continue. I hear the right scream and holler yet they were silent when a pub was in office~
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The argument wasn't about who receives less welfare. And no, it doesn't.
Which argument?

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The latino vote and the black vote, as a whole, is being driven by entitlement programs.
That's what I responded too.

I don't believe it is logical to make that argument if the numbers aren't there to show latino's immigrants are dependent upon entitlements.
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They should be locked up and deported, sadly both parties want them here for cheap labor and refuse to control the boarders. Only one party is smart enough to harvest the vote by allowing this to continue. I hear the right scream and holler yet they were silent when a pub was in office~
It goes a lot further down the chain then the federal level. Its at the enforcement level as well. (though I guess thats kinda federal.)

When there are raids on the chicken factory employing illegals, the illegals get deported. Ever hear of anything happening to factory? Nope. They just hire more, a month later that crew gets deported, they hire more ect.

Even if the factory gets in trouble, the fines are less than the savings from using illegal labor.

And it is a shame neither party ever address the issue through that lens.
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Which argument?



That's what I responded too.

I don't believe it is logical to make that argument if the numbers aren't there to show latino's immigrants are dependent upon entitlements.
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It goes a lot further down the chain then the federal level. Its at the enforcement level as well. (though I guess thats kinda federal.)

When there are raids on the chicken factory employing illegals, the illegals get deported. Ever hear of anything happening to factory? Nope. They just hire more, a month later that crew gets deported, they hire more ect.

Even if the factory gets in trouble, the fines are less than the savings from using illegal labor.

And it is a shame neither party ever address the issue through that lens.
Controlled boarders is a federal responsibility plain and simple. It ties into national security~
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Great example of Republican outreach

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Are you kidding me? First of all, I am not a Republican.

Second of all, regarding "blame", there's no "blame" here. Its probably not your fault, you are probably used to arguing with 1 or 2 racist morons on this board, and have some knee-jerk responses pre-loaded, but please don't lump me in with that crowd.

Latinos think they are voting for their own self-interest. It is simple, political reality. Latinos vote for Democrats the same reason poor whites vote for Democrats. I didn't say it was a good thing or a bad thing, it just is.

Latinos (those who actually can vote, and therefore don't need to immigrate) do not really give a damn about immigration, and they give FAR LESS of a damn about gun control. Its about economics with them. Some vote for conservatives due to social/religious issues, but aside from them, its all economics and a desire to protect/strengthen/expand entitlement programs. That is the beginning, middle, and end of it with them. That won't change unless the group begins to be primarily middle class.

Poor people tend to vote Democrat. Upper-middle or wealthier people tend to vote GOP. The middle class, who really decide the elections, usually vote for whichever candidate they think will improve the economy. If that issue is a tie, then the lesser issues no one in the middle really cares that much about (including immigration and gun control) begin to matter.

edit: Modify the above paragraph with this added reality: due to the very large millennial generation, Democrats now have an added advantage in presidential election years. Republicans tend to have an advantage in off-years since democrats are less reliable voters.
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