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GOP can't win Latinos due to NRA

Pro-gun policies, NRA, may undercut GOP Latino outreach
Jane C. Timm, @janestreet
2:28 PM on 02/14/2013


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Republican opposition to gun control measures may damage the party amongst Latino voters, even as the party works to rebuild its image amongst the countryís fastest-growing voter block.

Just 18% of Latinos own guns, making them less likely than any other racial demographic to own a firearm, and they value gun rights less than any other demographic, according to a February Gallup poll. An April 2012 poll found that 57% of white voters ranked gun rights over that of gun ownership, as opposed to 29% of Latinos who ranked gun rights over gun ownership.

ďCommunity violence and gun violence is something that has a deep impact within the Latino community, Latinos are about seven times more likely to die at the hands of a gun,Ē explained Jennifer Ngíandu, the director of health and civil rights at National Council of La Raza.


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Old 09-19-2013, 12:33 PM   #76
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Pretty funny watching people talk out of their ass about subjects they clearly have a misinformed opinion on.

Yeah, Latinos dont care about immigration but care about entitlement programs that most aren't even eligible for? That doesn't even make sense, man. Holy shit. You really need to re-think that one.

Reading this thread is what makes me sad for this country. It's nothing but misguided crap based on stereotypes. People spouting shit that they clearly have no clue about....and saying it with such conviction. Its disgusting the way some of you think of latinos and blacks. I really have no idea where some of you get this shit from.

I'm guessing i've had far more conversations with those demographics than a lot of you based on the shit that gets spewed. I can't recall ever having a conversation about entitlement programs though, it's never been something either demographic has cared much about.

I know most of you will never be able to experience these cultures and can only pass judgements from the outside looking in, but at least have the decency to not shout ignorant statements. As a country, we're never going to get anywhere like this.

Truth is, blacks and mexicans want the same thing that whites do. A slice of the American Dream. Not foodstamps. Not welfare. They want what most people want, a stable decent income and a comfortable place to call home.

Sure, some low lifes would rather sit on their ass and be taken care of. That's not a black, mexican or white thing.

That's an issue with Americans in general.
I think most poor immigrants and minorities fall prey to the same siren song that poor whites do when it comes to the utopian big government ideas of the democrats sold as protection of the middle and working classes from the bogey man rich. It's simple ignorance unrelated to race, ethnicity, or immigration status.
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Old 09-19-2013, 12:37 PM   #77
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I know most of you will never be able to experience these cultures and can only pass judgements from the outside looking in, but at least have the decency to not shout ignorant statements. As a country, we're never going to get anywhere like this.
Here we go again, more inane, stupid bullcrap about "blaming" or "passing judgment". I'm not saying entitlement programs are bad and anyone who takes them are lazy slugs like a lot on the right. I'm not passing any kind of judgment at all.

A lot of people, especially in these groups we are talking about, have jobs and work hard, but don't make much money and also need assistance, aka "the working poor".

You seem to think immigration, an issue that by definition does not individually impact any voter, is more important than food security or health care? Are you nuts?
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Old 09-19-2013, 12:37 PM   #78
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I think most poor immigrants and minorities fall prey to the same siren song that poor whites do when it comes to the utopian big government ideas of the democrats sold as protection of the middle and working classes from the bogey man rich. It's simple ignorance unrelated to race, ethnicity, or immigration status.
Nonsense. It's totally related to race, ethnicity and immigration status.



Even well off blacks strongly support big government. There's no correlation to blacks voting Dem based on income - none. And even well off Hispanics do too. Only white people oppose socialism in this country, unless you can prove differently.
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Old 09-19-2013, 12:41 PM   #79
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Nonsense. It's totally related to race, ethnicity and immigration status.



Even well off blacks strongly support big government. There's no correlation to blacks voting Dem based on income - none. And even well off Hispanics do too. Only white people oppose socialism in this country, unless you can prove differently.
Well off blacks and hispanics aren't in the "poor immigrants and minorities" group.
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Well off blacks and hispanics aren't in the "poor immigrants and minorities" group.
Nice try. You clearly argued that it's the poor immigrants and minorities that are swindled by the "utopian big government". And I corrected you to include every class of minority.
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Old 09-19-2013, 12:54 PM   #81
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Nice try. You clearly argued that it's the poor immigrants and minorities that are swindled by the "utopian big government". And I corrected you to include every class of minority.
You're talking about a different segment of the democrat coalition. And I'm not excluding the possibility that there are racial/ethnic factors as well, but those aren't the ones I'm talking about. Sorry, but I get to decide which groups of people I'm talking about, not you.
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I think most poor immigrants and minorities fall prey to the same siren song that poor whites do when it comes to the utopian big government ideas of the democrats sold as protection of the middle and working classes from the bogey man rich. It's simple ignorance unrelated to race, ethnicity, or immigration status.
I can agree with that.
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You're talking about a different segment of the democrat coalition. And I'm not excluding the possibility that there are racial/ethnic factors as well, but those aren't the ones I'm talking about. Sorry, but I get to decide which groups of people I'm talking about, not you.
Sure, you can make up whatever you want. I jsut wanted to correct it, becuase that's what you were clearly stating. That this "isn't about race" but it actually is and it's undeniable. For black Americans, income means nothing to voting patterns. They're all Democrats and nothing can or will ever change that. Obama shooting their unemployment rate straight to the moon didn't even change it.


For Hispanics and Asians it may be different, but from what I recall it's pretty similar there too. They like the welfare state.
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No, its not that simple, most of them really do not care that much about immigration compared to entitlement programs,
I can agree with you on some of your points, but this is the one that jumps out at me. If you think the program itself means more to mexicans than actually being able to be eligible for the program, then i don't know what to tell you.

They want the right to be able to work legally, drive legally etc far more than the right to have welfare. They're seeking rights that would allow them to not feel repressed, to not feel worthless, the chance at the "american dream". That is their priority and they will vote for the side that will listen to their plight.

As someone who interacts with mexicans on a daily basis, i can assure you that immigration is by far their most important subject. I don't care what exit polls say. I live in San Diego and have been hearing their plight for years.


If i had an American born mexican and gave him two choices: Foodstamps or naturalization for his parents, he's going to pick naturalization 9/10 because that in itself would equate to a better quality of life. They know this. They're not dumb.

The Democrats have been stringing the latino vote along for years with nothing but emptey promises. But at least they acknowledge them as something more than just a nuisance, which is all the Republicans have viewed them as until recently.
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Sure, you can make up whatever you want. I jsut wanted to correct it, becuase that's what you were clearly stating. That this "isn't about race" but it actually is and it's undeniable. For black Americans, income means nothing to voting patterns. They're all Democrats and nothing can or will ever change that. Obama shooting their unemployment rate straight to the moon didn't even change it.


For Hispanics and Asians it may be different, but from what I recall it's pretty similar there too. They like the welfare state.
No, as usual you're wrong. I was saying that my theory wasn't about race. I didn't say race never plays a part in a minority's opinion. That's outside the scope of my comment.
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I can agree with you on some of your points, but this is the one that jumps out at me. If you think the program itself means more to mexicans than actually being able to be eligible for the program, then i don't know what to tell you.

They want the right to be able to work legally, drive legally etc far more than the right to have welfare. They're seeking rights that would allow them to not feel repressed, to not feel worthless, the chance at the "american dream". That is their priority and they will vote for the side that will listen to their plight.

As someone who interacts with mexicans on a daily basis, i can assure you that immigration is by far their most important subject. I don't care what exit polls say. I live in San Diego and have been hearing their plight for years.


If i had an American born mexican and gave him two choices: Foodstamps or naturalization for his parents, he's going to pick naturalization 9/10 because that in itself would equate to a better quality of life. They know this. They're not dumb.

The Democrats have been stringing the latino vote along for years with nothing but emptey promises. But at least they acknowledge them as something more than just a nuisance, which is all the Republicans have viewed them as until recently.
If our social safety net programs were like they were 100 years ago, an open immigration policy would benefit everyone except those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder because, of the increased competition for those kind of Jobs. That incidentally is where most of the off color humor and stereotypes slurs and jokes came from. As the next wave of immigrants arrived they were resented by the previous one. I think the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants come here for the same exact reason as those that came before. They want an opportunity for a better life for their self and their families. That is admirable but, with the safety net we deem proper and necessary for our fellow citizens we just can't afford canít to add millions to it. Iím not sure what the answer is but, it should probably be easier to immigrate to this country legally and harder to do it illegally.

None of this has anything to do with the original topic which in MHO was way off target.
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No, as usual you're wrong. I was saying that my theory wasn't about race. I didn't say race never plays a part in a minority's opinion. That's outside the scope of my comment.

I've seen some amazing mental gymnastics in my day, but this one is pretty damn good.
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If our social safety net programs were like they were 100 years ago, an open immigration policy would benefit everyone except those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder because, of the increased competition for those kind of Jobs. That incidentally is where most of the off color humor and stereotypes slurs and jokes came from. As the next wave of immigrants arrived they were resented by the previous one. I think the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants come here for the same exact reason as those that came before. They want an opportunity for a better life for their self and their families. That is admirable but, with the safety net we deem proper and necessary for our fellow citizens we just can't afford canít to add millions to it. Iím not sure what the answer is but, it should probably be easier to immigrate to this country legally and harder to do it illegally.

None of this has anything to do with the original topic which in MHO was way off target.
I agree.
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No, GOP can't win Latino's because of statements like this:

"For every [DREAMer] who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there that weigh 130 pounds and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert." Rep. Steve King's (R-Iowa)
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That's an awesome quote. Thanks for sharing that.
But then when your party continues to get their ass handed to them in national non-gerrymandered elections - of course you'll blame the moocher class - with zero self-reflection or thoughtful consideration that maybe there's another reason.
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Of course, his statement is entirely true. Hispanics overwhelmingly favor Democrats policies on redistribution. The GOP can't match it without driving away their base, just like the Dems cannot become more conservative to reach rural voters without driving away their core. Isn't this basic politics?
Yeah except they don't. Hispanics tend to be socially and fiscally conservative. They voted for GWB. Your party has just gone completely batshit insane in the last 15 years and driven away everyone who isn't a frustrated white middle-aged male wondering where their status went. Your party's propaganda machine has created a monster that's now completely out of it's control.

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