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Old 09-19-2013, 09:51 PM  
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Say what you will but when the chips are down

The offense comes through.

It ain't pretty...it ain't fancy....it ain't awe-inspiring....


it IS clutch!

When the offense needs to move the ball and score, we find a way. We ate a shitload of clock when we needed to.

We have a lot of work to do but at the end of the day, when all is said and done, we come through with solid drives and don't fold under the pressure.


Props to an offense that struggled all night long but when it mattered they delivered.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:36 AM   #61
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Getting pressure when they send 3 down lineman is a symptom of bad line play.

They repeatedly dropped 8 into coverage and still got to Smith. It's damn hard to find an open man when 8 are back; harder still when you're only going to have about 2 seconds to throw the football.

Smith needs to play better, don't get me wrong. There were times he felt phantom pressure out there and he missed on a throw or two I'd have liked him to hit. But ultimately the Eagles realized they were able to drop guys into coverage and still get pressure on the QB - that's going to be a damn tough assignment for anybody.
Yep. Accurate and solid post as usual.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:38 AM   #62
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Getting pressure when they send 3 down lineman is a symptom of bad line play.

They repeatedly dropped 8 into coverage and still got to Smith. It's damn hard to find an open man when 8 are back; harder still when you're only going to have about 2 seconds to throw the football.

Smith needs to play better, don't get me wrong. There were times he felt phantom pressure out there and he missed on a throw or two I'd have liked him to hit. But ultimately the Eagles realized they were able to drop guys into coverage and still get pressure on the QB - that's going to be a damn tough assignment for anybody.
He is an average QB at best and because he doesn't test himself will most likely come up short. Take heart, if Trent Dilfer can win a championship then any pro can.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:41 AM   #63
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Getting pressure when they send 3 down lineman is a symptom of bad line play.

They repeatedly dropped 8 into coverage and still got to Smith. It's damn hard to find an open man when 8 are back; harder still when you're only going to have about 2 seconds to throw the football.

Smith needs to play better, don't get me wrong. There were times he felt phantom pressure out there and he missed on a throw or two I'd have liked him to hit. But ultimately the Eagles realized they were able to drop guys into coverage and still get pressure on the QB - that's going to be a damn tough assignment for anybody.




Spot on analogy couldn't agree more hopfully the O line gets better as they play together more and our TEs get healthy. AS will get better as he develops trust with his wide recievers.
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:18 AM   #64
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This offense drove me up the wall all night long. JFC Yet, when they absolutely HAVE to get the job done, they do.

I just wish they could do this more than a few drives per game.
My son's were screaming at the TV the first three quarters due all the little mistakes on offense. So many keep blaming Smith, but I was seeing mistakes by everyone on offense.

At first I blamed in on a short week of preparation and lots of emotion. That would account for the early game drops by Bowe, McCluster, and Charles. Fisher was getting schooled all night (hope he learns fast). Albert couldn't line up right all night. As Reid said after the game, "there are lots of things to work on".

I'm surprised how little people are recognizing that this is a new offense with new players that will take time to come together. With Trent Green he didn't start playing well until the fourth game of the season against Washington. And we all remember how many interceptions TrINT threw his first season. As long as I'm seeing improvement I'm happy because we all know the good teams play their best in November through January not in September.

The really exciting news so far the Defense is outstanding and special teams is really making a difference. I really like how the offense is not turning the ball over. Some want to see Alex take a lot more risk, but that is Michael Vicks game not Alex Smiths. Also, they are establishing leads early in the game, winning time of possession and keeping leads by leading long clock eating scoring drives when it counts. Not bad for a recovering 2-14 team.
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:20 AM   #65
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It will be interesting to see how they match up against the Broncos in a couple of months.
I expect both teams punters will be able to skip that game.
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:41 AM   #66
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:49 AM   #67
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The third and long conversion from our own five yard line in the 4th quarter was incredible. Alex had to make that play and he threaded the needle. That's the kind of thing that successful NFL QBs do. It's what we've been missing the most.
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:50 AM   #68
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I'm surprised how little people are recognizing that this is a new offense with new players that will take time to come together. With Trent Green he didn't start playing well until the fourth game of the season against Washington. And we all remember how many interceptions TrINT threw his first season. As long as I'm seeing improvement I'm happy because we all know the good teams play their best in November through January not in September.
This is very true! You want the Chiefs to play best in the last 4 games of the season. The Chiefs squandered a 9-0 start (essentially) because they played crappy in the last part of the season and it continued into the playoffs. Essentially the same thing happened in 2010 also. Better to end strong that start strong!
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:55 AM   #69
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He is an average QB at best and because he doesn't test himself will most likely come up short. Take heart, if Trent Dilfer can win a championship then any pro can.
That may be the case.

But as has been the case from the jump - he's the best that was available to us. And I still believe that he'll look more and more like the Alex Smith that played under Harbaugh as he gets more comfortable.

Urban Meyer's criticisms of him were the most fascinating I've read to date by far. He flat out said that Alex Smith does not like being uncomfortable within an offense. He's a programmed QB that won't improvise and as a result, he needs to know an offense backwards and forwards before he becomes a plus passer. He noted that Smith's great when he knows the offense, but that he's too conservative in getting to that point.

Guess what - your boy Manning's the same way. Smith's not Manning, don't get me wrong, but Manning's played in the same offense for a decade and doesn't improvise ever. He's a quarterbacking robot. Well that's the kind of game that Smith wants to play. But he needs to be confident in his weapons and comfortable in the offense before he provides even a reasonable facsimile of that.

He's not great. He'll never be great. But by the end of the season he'll be a hell of a lot better than he is now and right now he's smart enough to have us at 3-0.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:46 PM   #70
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That may be the case.

But as has been the case from the jump - he's the best that was available to us. And I still believe that he'll look more and more like the Alex Smith that played under Harbaugh as he gets more comfortable.

Urban Meyer's criticisms of him were the most fascinating I've read to date by far. He flat out said that Alex Smith does not like being uncomfortable within an offense. He's a programmed QB that won't improvise and as a result, he needs to know an offense backwards and forwards before he becomes a plus passer. He noted that Smith's great when he knows the offense, but that he's too conservative in getting to that point.

Guess what - your boy Manning's the same way. Smith's not Manning, don't get me wrong, but Manning's played in the same offense for a decade and doesn't improvise ever. He's a quarterbacking robot. Well that's the kind of game that Smith wants to play. But he needs to be confident in his weapons and comfortable in the offense before he provides even a reasonable facsimile of that.

He's not great. He'll never be great. But by the end of the season he'll be a hell of a lot better than he is now and right now he's smart enough to have us at 3-0.
When you have a defense that can play at a good level then it is not bad to be risk adverse as a QB. Not saying Smith is Montana but I can remember him saying that if the play isn't there then live to fight the next series.

In the middle of the game last night I had to leave the game thread because the negativity was just overflowing at epic levels. The chat room was much more composed. I turned to my wife and said people have short memories because I can remember a Monday night game at Arrowhead with Montana that we beat Elway and the Broncos with 5 FG's and the score was like 15-7.

I just want to win and I don't care if it's defense, offense, special teams, whatever. You don't get an extra win for being pretty on offense and you don't get less of a win because you only threw for 200 yards in a dink-dunk fashion.
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This offense drove me up the wall all night long. JFC Yet, when they absolutely HAVE to get the job done, they do.

I just wish they could do this more than a few drives per game.
You are right. They have done it when needed, but if they keep forcing themselves into 3rd and 14, and 3rd and 19 on these important drives, eventually they will fail. I have said it in several threads, offensive play calling has been questionable at times. Three trips to the red-zone in the first half and only one pass into the end-zone troubles me.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:12 PM   #72
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You are right. They have done it when needed, but if they keep forcing themselves into 3rd and 14, and 3rd and 19 on these important drives, eventually they will fail. I have said it in several threads, offensive play calling has been questionable at times. Three trips to the red-zone in the first half and only one pass into the end-zone troubles me.
What about the 5 previous trips that all ended in TD's????/
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That's great if your only metric for success is turnovers, and things like sustaining drives and scoring points don't matter.
No, my only metric for success is winning.

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The offense, IMO, is going to get better. Everyone is still picking up the new scheme and I think (hope) the coaches continue to adjust to the personnel. Charles shouldn't go from being an outstanding back to average one. The O-line should begin to gel (including Fisher). And, hopefully, we can find some consistency and health at the TE position.
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When you have a defense that can play at a good level then it is not bad to be risk adverse as a QB. Not saying Smith is Montana but I can remember him saying that if the play isn't there then live to fight the next series.

In the middle of the game last night I had to leave the game thread because the negativity was just overflowing at epic levels. The chat room was much more composed. I turned to my wife and said people have short memories because I can remember a Monday night game at Arrowhead with Montana that we beat Elway and the Broncos with 5 FG's and the score was like 15-7.

I just want to win and I don't care if it's defense, offense, special teams, whatever. You don't get an extra win for being pretty on offense and you don't get less of a win because you only threw for 200 yards in a dink-dunk fashion.
I think our fear &I loathing comes from watching Chiefs go 13-3 built on massive dominance in 2 of 3 phases of the game compensating for sheer ineptitude in the third.

Through the regular season.

Then one & done in playoffs. We just hope it' s not where we are headed. Most people I know figured the D would be fine but afraid the O could not keep up.
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