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Old 09-22-2013, 03:22 PM  
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DON'T fire Ned Yost

Ned made a great decision in the bottom of the 10th inning today. If Ned hadn't had Getz pinch run for Billy, the inning would have been over before Justin Maxwell ever came to the plate.

Everybody hates Ned and wants him to be fired. I don't. He sometimes makes game-time decisions that are easy to second-guess, but you've got to give him credit: the Royals have just about the best clubhouse atmosphere and team camraderie of any team I've ever seen. Ned deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that.

Not only do I think Ned won't be fired, I'm convinced he shouldn't be fired.

Edit: I was drunk with the euphoria of Justin Maxwell's walkoff grand slam when I created this thread. I have since sobered up.

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Old 09-22-2013, 03:34 PM   #16
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I'm not saying Yost is a tactical genius. He's obviously not. But like I said, you've GOT to give him credit for the way this team has pulled together and put on a playoff run.

They could have easily quit after they went 4-19 during that horrendous stretch in May, and they could have easily quit after they lost 7 in a row in August. They didn't.

If they fired Ned Yost, who are you going to replace him with who would be better?
If we have a chance to pull Charlie Manuel, you pull the trigger without ever looking back.

Ned's decisions unquestionably led us to a loss in two or perhaps three critical games down the stretch. He's a small ball overmanager who has no business overseeing a contender.
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Old 09-22-2013, 03:35 PM   #19
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Every manager in baseball except perhaps Jim Leyland makes that same sub.
Agreed.

Leyland looked like an idiot when he didn't.
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You don't even need to be start to make that decision. Billy running the bases in that situation is a double play liability. That's the reason he was walked. He wasn't walked because they fear him, but because he's slow and would be an easy DP candidate almost regardless of where the ball is hit.
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If we have a chance to pull Charlie Manuel, you pull the trigger without ever looking back.

Ned's decisions unquestionably led us to a loss in two or perhaps three critical games down the stretch. He's a small ball overmanager who has no business overseeing a contender.
OK, I'll give you Charlie Manuel.
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Old 09-22-2013, 03:38 PM   #25
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I'm not saying Yost is a tactical genius. He's obviously not. But like I said, you've GOT to give him credit for the way this team has pulled together and put on a playoff run.

They could have easily quit after they went 4-19 during that horrendous stretch in May, and they could have easily quit after they lost 7 in a row in August. They didn't.

If they fired Ned Yost, who are you going to replace him with who would be better?
I give Ned no credit whatsoever for the success of this team. He has been directly responsible for a multitude of losses which have put this team in a much tighter spot than they really should be. Examples:

A) Letting Wade Davies stay in the starting rotation until August.
B) Repeatedly batting Chris Getz leadoff despite his .250 OBP or whatever.
C) Atrocious mismanagement of the bullpen all year long - most importantly, not letting Louis Coleman pitch in high-pressure situations, and instead letting proven losers like Crow, Herrera, and Davies pitch in those situations.
D) Repeatedly leaving starters in too long. For example, blowing the game against Detroit last Sunday by trotting out Guthrie for the 8th inning when he was already over 100 pitches and had given up 12 hits.
E) Choking away the huge game against Cleveland last Tuesday - wasting Ventura's great start. Coleman, in a rare appearance in a pressure situation, gets a bases-loaded strikeout to get out of a jam. Yost promptly pulls him the next inning, allowing the usual suspects (Herrera and Davies) to blow the lead.
F) Having Carlos Pena pinch hit for Jarrod Dyson in a huge situation with the season on the line.
G) Calls sacrifice bunts like it's 1920.

I could go on and on. This is just off the top of my head.
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Old 09-22-2013, 03:41 PM   #26
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I give Ned no credit whatsoever for the success of this team. He has been directly responsible for a multitude of losses which have put this team in a much tighter spot than they really should be. Examples:

A) Letting Wade Davies stay in the starting rotation until August.
B) Repeatedly batting Chris Getz leadoff despite his .250 OBP or whatever.
C) Atrocious mismanagement of the bullpen all year long - most importantly, not letting Louis Coleman pitch in high-pressure situations, and instead letting proven losers like Crow, Herrera, and Davies pitch in those situations.
D) Repeatedly leaving starters in too long. For example, blowing the game against Detroit last Sunday by trotting out Guthrie for the 8th inning when he was already over 100 pitches and had given up 12 hits.
E) Choking away the huge game against Cleveland last Tuesday - wasting Ventura's great start. Coleman, in a rare appearance in a pressure situation, gets a bases-loaded strikeout to get out of a jam. Yost promptly pulls him the next inning, allowing the usual suspects (Herrera and Davies) to blow the lead.
F) Having Carlos Pena pinch hit for Jarrod Dyson in a huge situation with the season on the line.
G) Calls sacrifice bunts like it's 1920.

I could go on and on. This is just off the top of my head.
You forgot about the game where Shields was pitching a 2-hit shutout and leading 1-0 after 8 innings. Yost put Holland in and Holland promptly blew the save.

I can't really argue with any of the points you raised. Ned's blunders can be infuriating.
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You forgot about the game where Shields was pitching a 2-hit shutout and leading 1-0 after 8 innings. Yost put Holland in and Holland promptly blew the save.

I can't really argue with any of the points you raised. Ned's blunders can be infuriating.
LOL. Then why did you start this thread?
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Ned made a great decision in the bottom of the 10th inning today. If Ned hadn't had Getz pinch run for Billy, the inning would have been over before Justin Maxwell ever came to the plate.

Everybody hates Ned and wants him to be fired. I don't. He sometimes makes game-time decisions that are easy to second-guess, but you've got to give him credit: the Royals have just about the best clubhouse atmosphere and team camraderie of any team I've ever seen. Ned deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that.

Not only do I think Ned won't be fired, I'm convinced he shouldn't be fired.
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I will say I don't think that PR substitution was a gimme. Getz' run didn't matter, and if the Royals fail to score you've lost your cleanup hitter the rest of the game over a meaningless substitution. Ned would've probably been criticized for that.
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