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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:43 AM   #166
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That's a defensed pass.
The one straight to a wide open JC that he dropped?
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:43 AM   #167
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fair enough... now did you not see the link I posted? That source is either wrong, or yours is, I guess. Either way, whatever... anyone watching these games has seen some drops from Bowe... not a ton.. but more than we should be seeing.

KC is 5th in drop % in the league. Do you deny this?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...rcentage/2013/
Yes, I see the link you posted. They are off by one target. Do you realize that your link is counting every throw towards Bowe, whether it's a good throw or not?
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:43 AM   #168
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:44 AM   #169
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zero drops? look at the FIRST pass play for KC vs Philly. JFC.
17 targets, ZERO drops.

Who to believe - STATS, INC, the official stat service of the league, or Niner troll?

Tough one.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/p...d=8277&team=12
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:45 AM   #170
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That's a defensed pass.
Oh yeah, right. No way Bowe could hang onto that one. Even the commentators called it a drop.

Look, Bowe IS a good receiver, so I'll leave this bit alone. But you can not overlook that KC is 5th in drops as a team.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:45 AM   #171
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I find it interesting that all the blame is on Smith for the offensive issues ...
No, it's not.

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Our running game is killing us on 3rd and short.
Might help if that wasn't the only time we ran it.

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Yea we need more offense and yea Alex needs to push the ball more but its not all on Alex, not even close.
Alex throws the ball based on percentage of completion and lowest risk.

If Bowe is open by 3 yards 15 yards deep and Charles is open by 8 in the flat who do you think he'll throw it to?

Wrong - Charles. The basic idea of the WCO is to complete the pass, gain yards, and put the onus on yards gained on the pass catcher and not the distance of the throw.

THAT IS STAMPED IN HIS DNA.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:45 AM   #172
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17 targets, ZERO drops.

Who to believe - STATS, INC, the official stat service of the league, or Niner troll?

Tough one.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/p...d=8277&team=12
Yea I wouldn't call that pass a drop but it did hit him in the hands and was catchable.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:46 AM   #173
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No, it's not.



Might help if that wasn't the only time we ran it.



Alex throws the ball based on percentage of completion and lowest risk.

If Bowe is open by 3 yards 15 yards deep and Charles is open by 8 in the flat who do you think he'll throw it to?

Wrong - Charles. The basic idea of the WCO is to complete the pass, gain yards, and put the onus on yards gained on the pass catcher and not the distance of the throw.

THAT IS STAMPED IN HIS DNA.
Yet we convert 3rd and long more than 3rd and short.
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Oh yeah, right. No way Bowe could hang onto that one. Even the commentators called it a drop.

Look, Bowe IS a good receiver, so I'll leave this bit alone. But you can not overlook that KC is 5th in drops as a team.
Sure I can.

Because Denver is dropping a higher percentage of Manning passes, and they haven't missed a beat.

Next excuse, please.
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Yet we convert 3rd and long more than 3rd and short.
yep.. runs out of shotgun failed mostly. Guess JC is shit then?
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:49 AM   #176
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17 targets, ZERO drops.

Who to believe - STATS, INC, the official stat service of the league, or Niner troll?

Tough one.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/p...d=8277&team=12
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Yet we convert 3rd and long more than 3rd and short.
Relative to the Eagles game almost ALL those throws were short of the sticks and the reciever/pass cacher made the play.

One play by Avery was almost 10 yards short of the 1st...
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:50 AM   #178
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I just looked it up.

3rd and 2 or less to go we have converted 1 out of 6 attempts.

Thats pathetic. We should be at least 80% on those plays.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:52 AM   #179
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I can't speak for OTW but for me I am tired of "enjoying the ride" and losing in the playoffs. I lived through the 90's and I don't want to repeat that. It is SB or bust for me.
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Relative to the Eagles game almost ALL those throws were short of the sticks and the reciever/pass cacher made the play.

One play by Avery was almost 10 yards short of the 1st...
I will never understand why people care as long as the play worked.

I watch every team in the league throw the ball underneath on 3rd and long. Every team does it. You know why? The defense is guarding against the deep pass. Thats why most deep passes are on early downs.

Furthermore watch the game again and on that first one Smith had a millisecond to get rid of the ball to Avery who got the 1st on 3rd and 17. He couldn't have thrown down field if a guy was running wide open.

No time whatsoever.
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