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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 10:15 AM   #301
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I don't understand...

When we traded two second round picks for Alex Smith, and all of us complained... what did you think we were complaining about?

When Kyle Orton took over for this team and we saw what even a mildly competent quarterback looked like, what do you think we were saying about the rest of the talent on this team?

Alex Smith is not a game winner. We all know this. We knew this back in March.

The Chiefs are absolutely a playoff caliber team, because they have enough pieces on both sides of the ball.

I, for one, am capable of compartmentalizing my dissatisfaction with our quarterback situation and my relief and joy of having a QB who is capable enough to not lose us games and, if not lead, then shepherd us to victory.
I think pretty much all of this I'm eye-to-eye with you on.

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Alex Smith is not one of our eleven best players.
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But the other 21 guys are good enough to make up for it right now.
If by "right now" you mean a rebuilding year after complete ineptitude then yes.

If by "right now" you think we can win a playoff game I completely disagree...
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:16 AM   #302
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I went to grad school after. And I'll admit I had a head start.
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Yeah well I love playing golf and videogames.

That doesn't pay very well so I'm going to need a real job.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:17 AM   #303
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Yeah well I love playing golf and videogames.

That doesn't pay very well so I'm going to need a real job.
Golf pays like a mofo, even if your just above average...hang in there, find your niche.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:18 AM   #304
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Yeah well I love playing golf and videogames.

That doesn't pay very well so I'm going to need a real job.
How about making golf games suck less...
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:18 AM   #305
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Allen does suck. I guess if I have to find a compliment he has made a play or 2 in the running game. Hudson has done his part in pass protection but gets little or no push in the running game. Big John is ****ing beastly when it comes to being squared up vs the defender in the running game. I'm not saying he's perfect but I'd argue he's BY FAR the best run blocker on this line.
The bottom line is that Asamoah is not a complete lineman and at this point, four years in, it's unlikely that he ever reaches that goal.
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The bottom line is that Asamoah is not a complete lineman and at this point, four years in, it's unlikely that he ever reaches that goal.
Hopefully we found a gem in Kush.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:20 AM   #307
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If by "right now" you mean a rebuilding year after complete ineptitude then yes.

If by "right now" you think we can win a playoff game I completely disagree...
By "right now" I mean through the first three games. We'll see what happens down the road.

A Kendrick Lewis injury or facing a killer passing attack that forces us to score at will...

We haven't been tested the way we will be. But for right now, the plan is working.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:22 AM   #308
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A Kendrick Lewis injury or facing a killer passing attack that forces us to score at will...
Oh, so............**** me. Lewis is now a valued part of this defense?

Nice.

Nice to have someone else aboard...
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Oh, so............**** me. Lewis is now a valued part of this defense?

Nice.

Nice to have someone else aboard...
I like Demps. I really do. But Kendrick is playing like he did pre-shoulder right now. I'm growing more and more certain that he and Berry were nowhere near 100% last year, even when neither was on the injury list.
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Hopefully we found a gem in Kush.
I've been saying for weeks (if you hadn't noticed) that my hope is that Kush is ready to take over the center spot in time for the Bye Week. Move Hudson to left and Schwartz to right.

One can dream...
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:28 AM   #312
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I like Demps. I really do. But Kendrick is playing like he did pre-shoulder right now. I'm growing more and more certain that he and Berry were nowhere near 100% last year, even when neither was on the injury list.
The problem with Lewis is that a hangnail will cause him to miss four weeks
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Regarding Charles, he's actually touched the ball (and scored) more times in 2013 than he had in 2012 through three games, although he has 22 fewer yards:

70 touches for 375 yards and 3 TD
64 touches for 397 yards and 1 TD

He accounts for, right now, 57.8% of the teams rushes, 22.9% of the team's targets on passing plays, 28.1% of the team's receptions and 37.5% of the team's total yardage.

All this without a breakout game like NO in week 3 last year.

I think they know where their bread is buttered.
That is part of the problem that isn't discussed really at all.

There is absolutely no depth behind Charles. Well, hell, on offense there really isn't any depth anywhere.

I don't know and wont pretend to but every time Knile Davis touches the ball, I hold my breath that he doesn't fumble. And if Alex Smith isn't throwing to bowe or avery, or Charles. Who is he throwing to?

Hopefully certainly not McCluster.
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Oh, so............**** me. Lewis is now a valued part of this defense?

Nice.

Nice to have someone else aboard...
I don't know much about lewis. I am trying to take a wait and see approach with all of the Chiefs players that I didn't know.

The only thing I have saw from Lewis, was just a god awful angle that allowed Mike Vick to rush for that really long gain.

Other than that, I really haven't noticed much of him. Maybe that's a good thing?

Although, Sean Smith, and Berry have flashed very well for the secondary.
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