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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 02:21 PM   #691
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I do.
I respect your opinion so may I ask why you feel that way?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:22 PM   #692
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Flacco put up 285 during the playoffs.
Flacco is a very good, strong armed QB whose game greatly benefited from the change to Jim Caldwell.

My point is still in direct contradiction to needing a 300 yard passer to compete for a Super Bowl.

FWIW, Flacco is averaging 248 per game in 2013. Alex Smith is averaging 223.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:22 PM   #693
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There's a small part of me that gets irritated when Geno and/or Sheldon make big plays.

I suppose it'd be like that for Mingo as well but....
man, i was just throwing gas on the fire


but as long as fisher remains the worst RT in the league, it's easy
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:23 PM   #694
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So you believe in all sincerity that Alex Smith can win a team a SB?
A few Worse QB's have IMO.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:24 PM   #695
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Moving the goalposts, I see.
That's fair.

So did Flacco throw deep very much? Did playoff QBs throw deep? What was the avg pass per attempt for winning QBs in the playoffs?

You don't have to answer. We both already know the answers.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:25 PM   #696
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A few Worse QB's have IMO.
And people win the Powerball as well.

Doesn't mean you should expect to.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:25 PM   #697
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:25 PM   #698
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So you believe in all sincerity that Alex Smith can win a team a SB?
Capable of being the QB of a Super Bowl winning team? Sure.

Winning a Super Bowl strictly due to him?

Nope.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:26 PM   #699
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I believe that Alex Smith was a fumbled kick return away from going to one in 2011.

And I don't believe Joe Flacco is an appreciably better QB than Alex Smith.

Do I think he will likely win a SB? No. Not at all. But I definitely think the last 2 post-seasons have given us a couple of data points that suggest that yes, Alex Smith absolutely can win a team a SB.
Ok thanks. Flacco carried the Ravens in the playoffs and made big time throws. I just can't see that happening with Alex but I could be wrong. I think for him to win it all he will have to have a dominating D that carries the team.
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Capable of being the QB of a Super Bowl winning team? Sure.

Winning a Super Bowl strictly due to him?

Nope.
I think it CAN happen. There's been a few games where he's shown he can. He just doesn't do it often..or often enough.. as almost everyone here has mentioned.
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And people win the Powerball as well.

Doesn't mean you should expect to.
Right, but his question was can. I think in the right situation Cassel COULD have won a SB.
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That's fair.

So did Flacco throw deep very much? Did playoff QBs throw deep? What was the avg pass per attempt for winning QBs in the playoffs?

You don't have to answer. We both already know the answers.
What's the answer? What was the average pass attempt for playoff winning QB's?
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Ok thanks. Flacco carried the Ravens in the playoffs and made big time throws. I just can't see that happening with Alex but I could be wrong. I think for him to win it all he will have to have a dominating D that carries the team.
He had a dominating defense that carried the team and still came up short - in part due to his own incompetence on 3rd down.
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how many of the teams that have made the superbowl over the last, say, 10-15 years, haven't had their most important player on offense be a QB?

because Charles was our most important player before Smith arrived, and remains so, imo...

it rarely works that way...which is why I cut Smith no slack, he was acquired to do more than not turn the ball over (and I believe that Reid expects more too)...that's treating him like a child
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Right, but his question was can. I think in the right situation Cassel COULD have won a SB.
Yeah, no.

The situation couldn't have been more "right" for him in New England.
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