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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 02:35 PM   #721
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He had a dominating defense that carried the team and still came up short - in part due to his own incompetence on 3rd down.
Everybody points to the Kyle Williams fumble as the thing that lost Smith that game. And yes, it lines up with the importance they place on not turning the ball over. That's definitely a consistency.

But you can't just rely on that. Ball carriers fumble. Bad special teams plays happen. Those are things that a QB can not control, and if your game is predicated upon eliminating those mistakes, you can still wind up in those situations even if you play mistake-free football.

I, personally, would rather just rely on one guy (the QB) to be perfect than rely on the entire team to be perfect. It's easier that way.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:35 PM   #722
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To me it says they don't believe Alex Smith can throw the ball downfield without it being an interception.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:35 PM   #723
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Right.

Can it happen? Sure. The Ravens did it with Dilfer.

Trying to win the Superbowl with a Dilfer is the statistical equal of trying to find a franchise QB from another team's castoffs. I'll concede that it's possible, and Powerball concedes that its possible for me to turn $1 into $200 million.
ahh, so, now matty castle is right there with the trent dilfers of the NFL. no.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:35 PM   #724
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how many of the teams that have made the superbowl over the last, say, 10-15 years, haven't had their most important player on offense be a QB?

because Charles was our most important player before Smith arrived, and remains so, imo...

it rarely works that way...which is why I cut Smith no slack, he was acquired to do more than not turn the ball over (and I believe that Reid expects more too)...that's treating him like a child
Ben Rothlisberger was garbage in 2005. The Bus and Hines Ward were more important.

Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Brad Johnson and probably Matt Hasslebeck.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:36 PM   #725
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You're either going to get crickets, or a boldfaced lie.
I'll say it.

I think Alex Smith can win "a" Superbowl.

Much like Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien or Brad Johnson or Jeff Hostetler or Doug Williams or Jim McMahon won "a" Superbowl.

The trick is, I think you can say the same for more than half the QBs in the NFL right now, most of whom will never be in a Superbowl, much less win one. But I think if you put them in the right spot, give them an all world defense, an all world running game, and ask them not to **** it up, most of the QBs in the league are good enough to get the job done.

But I don't think that's why they brought Alex Smith here. I don't think that's why they'd spend a pair of 2nd round picks on him. I think they believe he's one of the best QBs in the league, that he can be our Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

And that I just don't see. At least not so far. I haven't seen a guy who can carry a team, or who elevates the guys around him. I see a complementary player, one who won't lose you games (which is a good quality...) but one who probably won't win you many either, on his own volition.

So I think, unless he really picks up his level of play, if this team becomes a real force, it won't be as much because he's behind center as it will be due to other factors. That's not to say he won't have his part, but I don't think he'll be the key that determines whether they're a perennial contender or not.

Just my opinion.

I'm not saying he's bad, but from what I've seen he's a 2nd tier guy at best. Hopefully Andy Reid finds a way to turn him into more.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:36 PM   #726
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He took over an 18 - 0 team and did nothing with it. Not sure how hypotheticals outweigh reality.
He took them to 11 wins and when Brady took over he tooks Cassel's NE team to 10 wins the next year.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:36 PM   #727
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ahh, so, now matty castle is right there with the trent dilfers of the NFL. no.
Back the ****ing truck up. I'm talking about Alex Smith.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:36 PM   #728
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Convert more than 3 third downs and that FG never happens.
You're right but that defense was beasting and the reason they were there AND won the Super Bowl.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:37 PM   #729
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:37 PM   #730
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He had a dominating defense that carried the team and still came up short - in part due to his own incompetence on 3rd down.
Sounds like we are screwed then.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:37 PM   #731
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Ben Rothlisberger was garbage in 2005. The Bus and Hines Ward were more important.

Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Brad Johnson and probably Matt Hasslebeck.
Tom Brady was Alex Smith-esk in his 1st to trips to the Super Bowl.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:37 PM   #732
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I for one am shocked that of the five guys listed there, 3 of them lost.

You have to go back to 2005 and 2002 to find two guys that actually won, but wasn't the most important player on offense.

Thanks for making his point.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:37 PM   #733
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New plan:

Hope like hell we face the 30th, 31st and 32nd ranked defenses in the playoffs.
And the Ravens planned on Rahim Moore doing what he did all along - totally to script.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:38 PM   #734
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Everybody points to the Kyle Williams fumble as the thing that lost Smith that game. And yes, it lines up with the importance they place on not turning the ball over. That's definitely a consistency.

But you can't just rely on that. Ball carriers fumble. Bad special teams plays happen. Those are things that a QB can not control, and if your game is predicated upon eliminating those mistakes, you can still wind up in those situations even if you play mistake-free football.

I, personally, would rather just rely on one guy (the QB) to be perfect than rely on the entire team to be perfect. It's easier that way.
Sometimes you just play a better defense and cant score or get much done.

See SF vs Seattle just 2 weeks ago.

The greatest show on turf scored what 10 points to beat the Bucs in 2000 to go to the SB?
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You're right but that defense was beasting and the reason they were there AND won the Super Bowl.
True.
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