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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 02:38 PM   #736
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I for one am shocked that of the five guys listed there, 3 of them lost.

You have to go back to 2005 and 2002 to find two guys that actually won, but wasn't the most important player on offense.

Thanks for making his point.
So now we're upset if Smith can only get us to the Super Bowl.

Got it.

Well at least our expectations are reasonable.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:38 PM   #737
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I for one am shocked that of the five guys listed there, 3 of them lost.

You have to go back to 2005 and 2002 to find two guys that actually won, but wasn't the most important player on offense.

Thanks for making his point.
His question was "made a Super Bowl", not won a Super Bowl.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:39 PM   #738
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Apparently if you don't have 1 of about 5 quarterbacks in the league you might as well just give up on the season because you're not going anywhere.
Give up on what? Asking for more from your QB?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:39 PM   #739
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You're right but that defense was beasting and the reason they were there AND won the Super Bowl.
Let's hope we don't face a competent defense in the playoffs then.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:39 PM   #740
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His question was "made a Super Bowl", not won a Super Bowl.
And the goal is to win, correct?

Even so, you came up with 5 guys. Not exactly proving him wrong.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:39 PM   #741
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Ben Rothlisberger was garbage in 2005. The Bus and Hines Ward were more important.

Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Brad Johnson and probably Matt Hasslebeck.
not many, one rookie (who turned out to be a hall of famer (rapist)) and a few vets...

i wish we played better odds, but for decades we have been bent on doing it the least likely way...

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Old 09-26-2013, 02:39 PM   #742
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Nice Kapernick completed more deep balls than Alex even attempted.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:40 PM   #743
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Everybody points to the Kyle Williams fumble as the thing that lost Smith that game. And yes, it lines up with the importance they place on not turning the ball over. That's definitely a consistency.

But you can't just rely on that. Ball carriers fumble. Bad special teams plays happen. Those are things that a QB can not control, and if your game is predicated upon eliminating those mistakes, you can still wind up in those situations even if you play mistake-free football.

I, personally, would rather just rely on one guy (the QB) to be perfect than rely on the entire team to be perfect. It's easier that way.
Who wouldn't?

I know its your belief that you keep swinging at the QB position until you get your HR, but it's hard for me to look at Geno Smith and say that he's more likely to play a 'perfect' playoff game than Tyler Bray someday. Or even Alex Smith for that matter.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:40 PM   #744
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I didn't say I don't believe he can throw the ball downfield. People in this thread keep saying that Smith hasn't thrown the ball downfield because the receivers are covered and any attempt would result in an interception.

I'm saying, how would we know? He hasn't really tried. I think he CAN throw it downfield, but just doesn't take the risk. They seem to think we would be 1-2 if we ever throw the ball further than 15 yards.
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He took them to 11 wins and when Brady took over he tooks Cassel's NE team to 10 wins the next year.
and he took the HALEY'S to the playoffs!!!!

and lost it almost completely by himself.
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Nice Kapernick completed more deep balls than Alex even attempted.
And yet the YPA... nearly identical.
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So now we're upset if Smith can only get us to the Super Bowl.

Got it.

Well at least our expectations are reasonable.
Hey man, I said in another thread recently that people would bitch if the Chiefs won a Super Bowl:

"Yeah. Whatever. There's NO WAY they win it again next year!".
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So now we're upset if Smith can only get us to the Super Bowl.

Got it.

Well at least our expectations are reasonable.

J, he's not going to do that either. He might tag along for a playoff win if the defense goes apeshit and we are lucky enough to face someone like Houston.

We both know it, only one of us is willing to admit it.
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Everybody points to the Kyle Williams fumble as the thing that lost Smith that game. And yes, it lines up with the importance they place on not turning the ball over. That's definitely a consistency.

But you can't just rely on that. Ball carriers fumble. Bad special teams plays happen. Those are things that a QB can not control, and if your game is predicated upon eliminating those mistakes, you can still wind up in those situations even if you play mistake-free football.

I, personally, would rather just rely on one guy (the QB) to be perfect than rely on the entire team to be perfect. It's easier that way.
ya, so how's your boy "mr perfect" handling the JETS.
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