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Old 09-26-2013, 07:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 03:42 PM   #751
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and he took the HALEY'S to the playoffs!!!!

and lost it almost completely by himself.
Not true, but beside the point. A mediocre/below avg QB CAN win a SB, but the odds of it aren't good.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:43 PM   #752
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And the goal is to win, correct?

Even so, you came up with 5 guys. Not exactly proving him wrong.
My post wasn't intended to prove him wrong, it was to provide the answer to his question.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:43 PM   #753
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You know, I wonder if Matt Hasselbeck is the kind of quarterback we should be anticipating/comparing.

Does anyone really have a problem with that, provided a QBOTF is selected in the next 2 years?
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:44 PM   #754
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Yes Kapernick was very impressive his last two games, we'll see if he continues to lite it up tonight.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:45 PM   #755
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You know, I wonder if Matt Hasselbeck is the kind of quarterback we should be anticipating/comparing.

Does anyone really have a problem with that, provided a QBOTF is selected in the next 2 years?
I think that's probably the best comparison, although I believe Smith to be a better athlete and more cerebral about the game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:45 PM   #756
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I'd love to play poker with some of you - you seem like the types that would call a three bet cold, putting yourself all-in with pocket 5's.

Sure, it could win you the pot, but the odds are beyond terrible.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:45 PM   #757
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Not true, but beside the point. A mediocre/below avg QB CAN win a SB, but the odds of it aren't good.
The odds of any QB winning the Super Bowl isn't good
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:45 PM   #758
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I don't think he can do it like Flacco did, for sure - he's a much different QB.

But I think he could do it like he did against the Saints. He wasn't bombing downfield in that game, but he did make some big time runs to keep drives alive. He did find guys squirting out the backfield to make something out of nothing.

He did...well exactly what he's done for us so far.

He's not a tall, statuesque pocket passer that's going to do much of anything sexy to win football games. He's going to go out there and try to win ugly. Is that my preferred approach? Nah, not really. I like Geno and I like Tyler Bray as well.

But it's won games in this league for a very long time. It got Gannon deified here in KC. It made Tarkenton a HOFer. It got Alex Smith within an eyelash of a Super Bowl.

To say it 'can't' happen here is just foolish. The odds strongly suggest it won't happen here, but anyone that says it can't is just being a mindless ideologue.
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I think it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Sure, it's definitely less likely than a slew of other candidates. If Brad Johnson can win one, and Rex Grossman can get there and nearly win one, then by golly, Alex smith can win one as well.

There's just probably more things that need to go right and more quality levels of performance from those around him required to achieve that kind of success, especially on a consistent level. It's not a right or wrong thing, it's a "Here's our limitations, how do we deal with it?" thing.


Just my opinion.
Thanks for your input. My opinion is the NFL is now a passing league and in order to win you have to get "chunks" of yards so that is one of the biggest reasons why I don't think Alex will ever win one.

Maybe my stance will change in a month when we face Peyton.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:46 PM   #759
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You know, I wonder if Matt Hasselbeck is the kind of quarterback we should be anticipating/comparing.

Does anyone really have a problem with that, provided a QBOTF is selected in the next 2 years?
would i sleep with a fat chick today, if a hot one was promised to me in 2 years?

i'd sleep with a fatty sans promises, but sure, I mean what are we going to say, no to finally drafting a ****ing QB...
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:46 PM   #760
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I'd love to play poker with some of you - you seem like the types that would call a three bet cold, putting yourself all-in with pocket 5's.

Sure, it could win you the pot, but the odds are beyond terrible.
I have no idea what you just said.

Which would be why I don't play poker.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:46 PM   #761
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I think that's probably the best comparison, although I believe Smith to be a better athlete and more cerebral about the game.
I have no idea why it took so long for us to make that comparison.


WTF brain?
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:46 PM   #762
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The odds of any QB winning the Super Bowl isn't good
Maybe we should just go without!
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:47 PM   #763
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would i sleep with a fat chick today, if a hot one was promised to me in 2 years?

i'd sleep with a fatty sans promises, but sure, I mean what are we going to say, no to finally drafting a ****ing QB...
I mean, Hasselbeck did get royally ****ed out of a SB win.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:48 PM   #764
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I'd love to play poker with some of you - you seem like the types that would call a three bet cold, putting yourself all-in with pocket 5's.

Sure, it could win you the pot, but the odds are beyond terrible.
Oh, come on.

Do you really believe that Alex Smith would be anyone's first choice as a starting QB?

As fans, we play the cards we're dealt.

I've said it all year long: Alex Smith is NOT Matt Cassel, despite GoChiefs false narrative.
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I have no idea what you just said.

Which would be why I don't play poker.
It's a skill I wish I had. I've never really learned.
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