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Old 09-26-2013, 07:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 05:01 PM   #826
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The only stat that matters right now is 3-0. The RT & TE positions need to pick it up. If that happens, Smith & the offense will improve the other stats. Would not be surpised to see Fisher moved to Guard if he doesn't pick it up this next game or two. Not necessarily my recommendation, but I can see it happening.
Guard? He plays too high at tackle. He'd get pushed back into Smith on every play at guard.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:02 PM   #827
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Back to earth? Dude, this defense is only going to improve.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:03 PM   #828
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Guard? He plays too high at tackle. He'd get pushed back into Smith on every play at guard.
I can't disagree. That's why it's not my recommendation. But I can see the coaching staff trying to "protect" him by moving him inside.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:04 PM   #829
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I'd bet 5 million pesos Fisher never plays one down at guard in his NFL career.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:09 PM   #831
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I'd bet 5 million pesos Fisher never plays one down at guard in his NFL career.
I hope you're right.
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Anyone who has watched the games should know that the Chiefs are lucky to be 3-0. Last week the Eagles turned the ball over 4 times in the first half, yet we only had a 10 point lead. I was sure we were going to lose that game up until the 5:00 minute mark of the 4th quarter.

Having said all of that, I'm still pretty damn happy with the job Andy Reid has done with this team. I think the offense will get better, and I like wondering how the hell this team is 3-0 a hell of a lot better than the shit we've been fed for nearly a decade.
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This place will be lively when the defense comes back down to earth and opposing teams stop shitting their pants.
Huh? Why would that happen?

You don't think this D is legit?
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:32 PM   #834
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Huh? Why would that happen?

You don't think this D is legit?
The defense probably isn't going to play at this level all year long. We're realistically not a top 5 D.

Houston and Denver are probably going to force Alex to put up more than 24 to win.
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Interesting article about roster stability...

"The Bears, Chiefs and Cardinals all changed head coaches, changed a lot of offensive personnel, and have seen improvements offensively."



KC is headed in the right direction. Patience people.

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The defense probably isn't going to play at this level all year long. We're realistically not a top 5 D.
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The defense probably isn't going to play at this level all year long. We're realistically not a top 5 D.
Bullshit.

The Raiders twice, Bills and Cleveland aren't going to challenge this defense. San Diego *might*, even though they had a hard time with Tennessee.

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Houston and Denver are probably going to force Alex to put up more than 24 to win.
Houston's been winning games badly. They're way out of sync. Denver is the only team that I can see giving the Chiefs fits and well, they're giving every team fits.
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Even if you have a top D you're not going to stop top offenses all the time. You should be happy if you hold Peyton Manning to 21 or 24 points. This isn't 1991.

Of course if we lose 24-21 to the Broncos, people here would inevitably blame the defense.
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Why would the D regress?
They're not going to "regress" per se. We face a lot of crappy teams so I'm sure there will be stat padding going on.

But do you really expect them to hold the Broncos under 21 points? I don't. Flowers has been iffy and Sean Smith is...Sean Smith. I don't know who the **** our nickel is.
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