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Old 09-26-2013, 07:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 05:45 PM   #841
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I wonder what Alex does with his defense that makes such a difference.

He left SF and their defense is sucking chili dogs
He goes to KC and we are raping like we are the 96 Chiefs d
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:45 PM   #842
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It's amazing to me how some people will jump instantly to the defense of Alex Smith, who's been here a matter of months, yet just as quickly jump all over a long-time incumbent pro bowl receiver.

So I guess it isn't so much about being a fan understandably jumping to the defense of all your Chiefs, just a selective fan who for some reason jumps only to the defense of certain Chiefs.
I think djln said the exact opposite thing about Bowe earlier this season. And he was probably there watching it...
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:45 PM   #843
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Even if you have a top D you're not going to stop top offenses all the time. You should be happy if you hold Peyton Manning to 21 or 24 points. This isn't 1991.

Of course if we lose 24-21 to the Broncos, people here would inevitably blame the defense.
Last yrs D held them to 19 in Arrowhead.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:46 PM   #844
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Even if you have a top D you're not going to stop top offenses all the time. You should be happy if you hold Peyton Manning to 21 or 24 points. This isn't 1991.

Of course if we lose 24-21 to the Broncos, people here would inevitably blame the defense.
And Alex Smith could be 21-26 with 250 yards, 3 TD's, no interceptions and people would inevitably blame him.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:47 PM   #845
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Back to earth? Dude, this defense is only going to improve.
Yeah that was a silly comment. This D is LOADED in talent.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:48 PM   #846
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Last yrs D held them to 19 in Arrowhead.
But that was before the emergence of Julius Thomas, the addition Wes Welker and Ronnie Hillman's rookie season.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:49 PM   #847
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The defense probably isn't going to play at this level all year long. We're realistically not a top 5 D.

Houston and Denver are probably going to force Alex to put up more than 24 to win.
Bullshit. This is as talented of a defense as there is in the league.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:49 PM   #848
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I wonder what Alex does with his defense that makes such a difference.

He left SF and their defense is sucking chili dogs
He goes to KC and we are raping like we are the 96 Chiefs d
He doesn't put the defense into a bad situation. He rarely turns the ball over on his side of the field, and if the drive stalls the opposing team usually has to drive the length of the field to score.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:49 PM   #849
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But that was before the emergence of Julius Thomas, the addition Wes Welker and Ronnie Hillman's rookie season.
And this yrs D is even better than last year.

A boy can dream...
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:50 PM   #850
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And this yrs D is even better than last year.

A boy can dream...
I hope they match up well and contain but until I see a team hold Denver to less than 30 points, I'll have my doubts.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:51 PM   #851
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And this yrs D is even better than last year.

A boy can dream...
How can people not see the insane talent we have. Watch other games and it is mind blowing.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:51 PM   #852
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...and there are some cynical, jaded mother****ers on here. Rightfully so, in some cases. I just hope that some of you don't live your lives with the same pessimistic disposition that you practice in your Chiefs fandom...that is a shitty way to live your life.
Even Jags fans get bummed out coming to the planet-lol Too many Eeyores.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:54 PM   #853
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Bullshit. This is as talented of a defense as there is in the league.
I guess.

We're not 85 Bears or anything, though.

Manning's gonna get his.
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And Alex Smith could be 21-26 with 250 yards, 3 TD's, no interceptions and people would inevitably blame him.
Alex Smith. The QB who gets too much blame when his team wins, and too much credit when his team looses.
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And Alex Smith could be 21-26 with 250 yards, 3 TD's, no interceptions and people would inevitably blame him.
how true
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