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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-28-2013, 05:59 PM   #1351
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The reality is that this team has done exactly jack since January, 1970.
I completely disagree.

There was a metric ****-ton of talent traded for/signed/drafted in the 90's and wasted.

Same goes for the early 00's.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:00 PM   #1352
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I completely disagree.

There was a metric ****-ton of talent traded for/signed/drafted in the 90's and wasted.

Same goes for the early 00's.
What was the end result?
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:00 PM   #1353
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I completely disagree.

There was a metric ****-ton of talent traded for/signed/drafted in the 90's and wasted.

Same goes for the early 00's.
My take goes for Vermeil too.

Kiss my mother****ing ass, "respectable".
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:02 PM   #1354
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The reality is that this team has done exactly jack since January, 1970.
Hey, but they're 3-0...
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:04 PM   #1355
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What was the end result?
Who's fault is that?...
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:04 PM   #1356
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Hey, but they're 3-0...
Gotta start somewhere.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:08 PM   #1357
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You'd be an idiot to be that rich and not want to push the world's most popular game.

That said he's realized that any, and I mean ALL, reputation this team had under Lamar was lost under Clark.

Lamar did not fail horribly, squander draft picks, hire total loser HC's.

That was all on Clark.

Clark took his dad's pride and joy and drove it into the ****ing dirt.

Deep.


Deep.


DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeep into the ****ing dirt.

This is only step one of crawling out...
I agree that Clark probably had this as a major part of his thinking of he has any pride in the family name at all. I don't agree with the bold however. In fact, soccer has more roots and growth in the U.S. than the NFL has roots in other countries. That being said, I would be interested to know what kind of ratings/following the NFL is getting from Europe. I know the biggest T.V. contract for Premier League soccer actually comes from the U.S.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:10 PM   #1358
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I know the biggest T.V. contract for Premier League soccer actually comes from the U.S.
Really?...
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:11 PM   #1359
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Really?...
Yes. They're trying to force it down America's throat.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:14 PM   #1360
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Yes. They're trying to force it down America's throat.
I really don't pay attention other than cup qualifiers and world cup play...
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:14 PM   #1361
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Yes. They're trying to force it down America's throat.
There also isn't a lot of sport "time" that NBC could buy up for its new network. Soccer was all that there was. MLS actually finished 3rd in average attendance this year if that can be used to measure the increase in the sports following. U.S. national team attention sure is up. Either way, NBC paid a lot of money expecting the viewership to be there.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:16 PM   #1362
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I really don't pay attention other than cup qualifiers and world cup play...
Me either. I like the sport, but I have a hard time watching non-national team games. In regards to the network package, I remember reading that you can actually see more Premier league games in the U.S. vs. England because of the blackouts.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:16 PM   #1363
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I really don't pay attention other than cup qualifiers and world cup play...
That is a hell of a lot more attention than I give it.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:17 PM   #1364
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Thank you. And this is why "why can't you just be happy with a return to Marty-era football, where the Chiefs are at least respected" can kiss my mother****ing ass.
After only 3 games coming off of the worst season in Chiefs history I think it is too early to pronounce this team a failure, or a return to Martyball. They are just getting started, and I think doing a lot better than most people expected at this point. Did anyone here expect them to be 3-0 at this point? This team is turning around, and turning around fast, but we don't at this point know the final result. But we do know that Reid went to 5 NFCCs and one SB, so he could potentially take this team a lot farther than Marty did. You have already decided he won't, with no evidence to support it.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:34 PM   #1365
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So why run the franchise into the ground ? Sounds to me like he was gambling with other investments and siphoning revenue off from the Chiefs . Soccer ? Thats where it all went ? I doubt it.
Well, he didn't exactly run it into the ground... he hired the hottest name in management after Carl Peterson left and delegated everything to Pioli (or ignored, if you prefer), who then ran it into the ground.

I don't think SoC forced his hand at all when it came to making changes... the changes were made for financial reasons as much as anything else... but, maybe it was a good reminder that this isn't some apathetic fan base like San Diego or Jacksonville, and that losing year after year isn't acceptable (keep in mind, SoC started when they were only like 1-3 last season), and that fans will flock back to Arrowhead if he'd just put some effort into making a winner (not that he was unaware of that). So, he did, and they did.

Do what it takes not to completely shit on your customers (well, most years), and they'll keep buying your product year after year. Would you spend more money or give more of an effort if your product had that level of blind loyalty?
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