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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-28-2013, 09:28 PM   #1396
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And what is our situation?
What do you hope for from Smith?
Our situation is wanting to win now while building for the future. And running the Reid version of the WCO. A QB that can win now, and for the next two or three years, while we look for that young QBotF. Was there a better QB available given these qualifiers?
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:48 PM   #1397
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Our situation is wanting to win now while building for the future. And running the Reid version of the WCO. A QB that can win now, and for the next two or three years, while we look for that young QBotF. Was there a better QB available given these qualifiers?
Better QB?

Probably not.

Better options?

Yes.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:53 PM   #1398
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Better QB?

Probably not.

Better options?

Yes.
what options?
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:28 PM   #1399
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what options?
Signing a free agent stopgap rather than trading 2 picks for a stopgap.
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:42 PM   #1400
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Signing a free agent stopgap rather than trading 2 picks for a stopgap.
Were there any free agent QBs anywhere near as good as Smith? That could turn the team around immediately and win now?

IMO signing a crap QB and losing for another season or two was NOT a better option.
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:53 PM   #1401
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Were there any free agent QBs anywhere near as good as Smith? That could turn the team around immediately and win now?

IMO signing a crap QB and losing for another season or two was NOT a better option.
Agreed. This whole argument is contingent upon how much Smith wins here. Until he starts shitting the bed and we start looking like the losers our team has been for far too long I am happy to have the wins. I'll wait to start moaning until it hurts.
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Old 09-28-2013, 11:29 PM   #1402
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Old 09-29-2013, 12:20 AM   #1403
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Great we coulda signed a turd and been awful again!
Smith was the option.

Period.

He's exactly what Reid wants in a QB - smart, mobile, takes care of the ball and he's accurate.

The only other option in my mind was to sign Jason Campbell and draft Geno Smith, letting Campbell play out two years on a free agent deal while Geno worked under Reid to become NFL ready.

But getting A Smith in his prime after the season and a half he put together in 2011 and 2012 was a major win for the Chiefs. He's not flashy, but he's been absolutely productive since the dump of Mike Singletary, who might have been the one worse coach than Crennel over the past decade.

Smith is 29 and is in the prime of his career. He's putting up wins like nobody else, and considering that he's getting these wins on teams that were complete dog shit (2010 49ers, 2012 Chiefs) is impressive. The guy knows how to orchestrate a team on and off the field.

The Chiefs had the personnel to win right now and Dorsey and Reid saw that. They brought in the one QB who was capable of leading this team in a positive direction immediately as well as establishing one of the strongest coaching staffs I've ever seen on an NFL team.

This team hasn't even come close to hitting it's stride on either side of the ball due to the newness of coaching and scheme changes. And we're still 3-0 with two of those wins on the road. Not too shabby.
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Old 09-29-2013, 12:36 AM   #1404
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Signing a free agent stopgap rather than trading 2 picks for a stopgap.
Who?

Seriously.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:33 AM   #1405
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This team with Alex Smith and last year's defense is 1-2 going into today's game, and 5 win team for the season, 6 wins at best.

With a Stanton, Gradkowski, Campbell, they are 1-2 right now and a 4 win team.

These Chiefs are winning because of scheme change, personnel upgrades, and player improvement on defense.

There might be one or two games that Smith won't lose this season that a free agent QB might.

But Alex Smith is not winning these games.
The defense is.
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:21 AM   #1406
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This team with Alex Smith and last year's defense is 1-2 going into today's game, and 5 win team for the season, 6 wins at best.

With a Stanton, Gradkowski, Campbell, they are 1-2 right now and a 4 win team.

These Chiefs are winning because of scheme change, personnel upgrades, and player improvement on defense.

There might be one or two games that Smith won't lose this season that a free agent QB might.

But Alex Smith is not winning these games.
The defense is.
Truth, and which leads us back to the worst-case scenario:

Winning just enough to justify locking Axl up long-term, thereby putting us in the same goddamned rut we've been in forever.
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:26 AM   #1407
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This team with Alex Smith and last year's defense is 1-2 going into today's game, and 5 win team for the season, 6 wins at best.

With a Stanton, Gradkowski, Campbell, they are 1-2 right now and a 4 win team.

These Chiefs are winning because of scheme change, personnel upgrades, and player improvement on defense.

There might be one or two games that Smith won't lose this season that a free agent QB might.

But Alex Smith is not winning these games.
The defense is
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Say what you want but the 49ers defense players may disagree with you.

Not saying Smith is a world beater (nevr have) but he is built to play in specific type offense on a team with a defense like this.

What he will do is keep drives moving and keep the TOP in our favor and as you know not turn the ball over.

Alex completed 4 long passes on 3rd down Thursday while on the other hand we couldn't convert on 3rd and short the whole game.

But hey, he isn't helping win any games.

Oh I see you wont be happy unless he does it all by himself.
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:28 AM   #1408
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Say what you want but the 49ers defense players may disagree with you.

Not saying Smith is a world beater (nevr have) but he is built to play in specific type offense on a team with a defense like this.

What he will do is keep drives moving and keep the TOP in our favor and as you know not turn the ball over.

Alex completed 4 long passes on 3rd down Thursday while on the other hand we couldn't convert on 3rd and short the whole game.

But hey, he isn't helping win any games.

Oh I see you wont be happy unless he does it all by himself.
Sustaining drives? Can we get at least 2/3 ratio going on 3rd down conversions, please?
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:32 AM   #1409
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Sustaining drives? Can we get at least 2/3 ratio going on 3rd down conversions, please?
Yea because 66% is a realistic 3rd down conversion rate.

Good grief dude.

Our 3rd down conversion rate sucks because we cant run it on 3rd and short. 0-6 on 3rd and 2 or less.

Think about it. You are a prime example of someone who likes to bitch about things but dont look at what the real issues is.

Somehow you are going to try to turn an inability to run on 3rd and 1 to a QB issue.
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:35 AM   #1410
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Yea because 66% is a realistic 3rd down conversion rate.

Good grief dude.

Our 3rd down conversion rate sucks because we cant run it on 3rd and short. 0-6 on 3rd and 2 or less.

Think about it. You are a prime example of someone who likes to bitch about things but dont look at what the real issues is.

Somehow you are going to try to turn an inability to run on 3rd and 1 to a QB issue.
1/2? Is that reasonable? And I'm sorry fella; but YOU are the one who implied that Axl Smith was "sustaining drives". To my knowledge, sustaining a drive includes but is not limited to, converting on 3rd down.

So far, Mr. Colquitt is seeing more face time than he should.
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