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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-29-2013, 09:50 AM   #1426
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yep. It was 13-7 in the 3rd Q, and KC immediately responded to the Dallas first drive FG.

Smith threw 8 passes.. including the Bowe TD pass to cap an 80 yd TD drive. How much help was the run game on that drive? Charles had 3 of those yds on 2 carries.

... but... but...


( aside from 1 later play? that was KC's only possession of the quarter )
He scored a touchdown in the 3rd quarter. Hardly qualifies for "clutch" play considering he didn't get a single first down in the next 3 drives of a 1-score game in the 4th quarter.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:51 AM   #1427
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He scored a touchdown in the 3rd quarter. Hardly qualifies for "clutch" play considering he didn't get a single first down in the next 3 drives of a 1-score game in the 4th quarter.
Oh, keep reading what I added to that post.

... and you are reaching way too hard to put down the offensive contribution.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:53 AM   #1428
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Oh, keep reading what I added to that post.

... and you are reaching way too hard to put down the offensive contribution.
The Chiefs got a field goal because they got a turnover on the 30 yard line. Alex Smith moved the ball 8 yards on that entire drive. The final drive was sealed shut by 99% Jamaal Charles runs and Smith throwing a 3rd down incompletion that was rung up for defensive holding.

You should probably look at the play-by-play instead of crediting everything to the QB.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:59 AM   #1429
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The Chiefs got a field goal because they got a turnover on the 30 yard line. Alex Smith moved the ball 8 yards on that entire drive. The final drive was sealed shut by 99% Jamaal Charles runs and Smith throwing a 3rd down incompletion that was rung up for defensive holding.

You should probably look at the play-by-play instead of crediting everything to the QB.
No, I get that the turnover gave the offense another 3. Alex added another 10 yards to allow for the easier FG try. On the next two failed drives, Alex was sacked... and on the next one, JC failed to get one more yd of RAC to extend the drive.

Not saying the offense is beyond reproach. Just saying that they did enough to complement a strong defensive showing in the 4th... and I know that can't always be the way we win.
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Add to that, KC offense did put together a nice drive at the end of Q2 to give our FG try a chance, but the FG try was blocked. Had it gone through, we are tied 10-10 at the half.
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:12 AM   #1431
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Say what you want but the 49ers defense players may disagree with you.

Not saying Smith is a world beater (nevr have) but he is built to play in specific type offense on a team with a defense like this.

What he will do is keep drives moving and keep the TOP in our favor and as you know not turn the ball over.

Alex completed 4 long passes on 3rd down Thursday while on the other hand we couldn't convert on 3rd and short the whole game.

But hey, he isn't helping win any games.

Oh I see you wont be happy unless he does it all by himself.
I am not asking him to do it by himself.

He has the defense and special teams giving him and the offense great field position, and they are not taking advantage.

Part of that lies with Andy Reid and his play calling, especially on vthose third and short stuations, when he fails to line up and simply smash them in the mouth, which has proven to be a strength when they line up in the I with Sherman leading Charles behind behind Albert.
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:16 AM   #1432
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I am not asking him to do it by himself.

He has the defense and special teams giving him and the offense great field position, and they are not taking advantage.

Part of that lies with Andy Reid and his play calling, especially on vthose third and short stuations, when he fails to line up and simply smash them in the mouth, which has proven to be a strength when they line up in the I with Sherman leading Charles behind behind Albert.
I 100% agree and its arguable Reid is holding the offense back more than Smith himself.
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And Milk is a guy who continually claims he doesn't care about any stats except clutch performance.

So far Smith has been clutch when necessary.


I saw somewhere that KC's situationaly adjusted offensive numbers put us in top 10.
He made a couple of clutch throws late.
Those throws, however, are throws that every QB in this league should be able to make.
And they were successful because of Smith's accuracy and Avery's speed, and good blocking downfield from Bowe.

The primary problem is, the Chiefs should not have needed those clutch throws if the offense had executed more effectively and consistently in the first 3 qtrs.

And I am not pointing solely at Smith.
Blame falls to the. O-Line and Andy Reid.
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:21 AM   #1434
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I 100% agree and its arguable Reid is holding the offense back more than Smith himself.
Reid's playcalling has to be better, but there's a lot to be said that he has to call plays within the limitations of his QB as well. In too many plays, you don't know what Reid was trying to playcall because Smith misses the read or goes to a checkdown.
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I 100% agree and its arguable Reid is holding the offense back more than Smith himself.
And if you have followed along, that is exactly what I have argued.
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The primary problem is, the Chiefs should not have needed those clutch throws if the offense had executed more effectively and consistently in the first 3 qtrs.
Just how good should this offense be so early into their evolution? No TEs.. shaky OL.. top 10 in drops.. all on a very newly put together team in a new scheme?

We ALL want more from the O, but most think that expecting so much more with all of these issues isn't terribly realistic.
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Just how good should this offense be so early into their evolution? No TEs.. shaky OL.. top 10 in drops.. all on a very newly put together team in a new scheme?

We ALL want more from the O, but most think that expecting so much more with all of these issues isn't terribly realistic.
Drops happen to every single team. To use them as an excuse is idiocy.

An offensive line that had its shit together would solve most of these problems. The problem is those kinds of things don't grow on trees, and I'm not so sure Reid will allow them to get some confidence and grow as a unit the way he never runs the ball.

So we're probably going to look like this for awhile. Possibly into next season as well. At least until Reid can find some interior offensive linemen worth a shit who are more adept at doing the things he wants them to do.
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Just how good should this offense be so early into their evolution? No TEs.. shaky OL.. top 10 in drops.. all on a very newly put together team in a new scheme?

We ALL want more from the O, but most think that expecting so much more with all of these issues isn't terribly realistic.
It might have been Vince Lombardi that said that you do what you do well until someone stops you (paraphrasing).

The Chiefs don't, until they need it.
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Drops happen to every single team. To use them as an excuse is idiocy.
Some teams have more crucial drops then others, but it is a difficult stat to assess blame for struggles.

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An offensive line that had its shit together would solve most of these problems. The problem is those kinds of things don't grow on trees, and I'm not so sure Reid will allow them to get some confidence and grow as a unit the way he never runs the ball.
Maybe Reid is just trying to orchestrate the offense around the loss of his TEs? and this is why we are seeing the open sets on 3rd and shorter yards?

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So we're probably going to look like this for awhile. Possibly into next season as well. At least until Reid can find some interior offensive linemen worth a shit who are more adept at doing the things he wants them to do.
I think Reid could help in this area by keeping Sherman on the field to assist in opening up a lane between the tackles for JC.
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It might have been Vince Lombardi that said that you do what you do well until someone stops you (paraphrasing).

The Chiefs don't, until they need it.
Crossing routes to Avery all day long.
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