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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-29-2013, 02:42 PM   #1456
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And I'm pretty sure every single pt. was scored by the offense this week...
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:43 PM   #1457
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All of those excuses look kind of silly now, huh? Oh, he doesn't have time to throw it down field, the receivers drop every pass, it's a miracle he doesn't get sacked on every down, he needs a lot more help in the running game....

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No the excuses are valid, he could have pased for 350+.

We still need help on OL.

The difference is Reid will keep throwing. 41 attempts today I think.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:43 PM   #1458
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And I'm pretty sure every single pt. was scored by the offense this week...
DMC punt return for TD.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:43 PM   #1459
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And I'm pretty sure every single pt. was scored by the offense this week...
McCluster's TD on ST
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:44 PM   #1460
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And I'm pretty sure every single pt. was scored by the offense this week...
McCluster.

Either way, 24 scored by the O is a good thing.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:45 PM   #1461
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No the excuses are valid, he could have pased for 350+.

We still need help on OL.

The difference is Reid will keep throwing. 41 attempts today I think.
At the time I thought it was stupid to take 3 off the board but taking the 1st and then choosing to PIItheirB afterwards is killer instinct.

Hells yes.

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Old 09-29-2013, 02:45 PM   #1462
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It's funny. Alex had 2 picks in this game and definitely showed his best stuff all season.

It's not the limiting turnovers thing. That's bullshit. It's been bullshit for awhile. It's the defense.

The next slut on ESPN/NFL Net who says we're 4-0 because we're taking care of the football is gonna get a anthrax in the mail.
We are winning games through efficient football. And that efficient football would have led to a dominating performance if not for a few drops, in my opinion. And we are dominating in the 4th quarter because we are owning the field position game.

I know people get boners over an aerial attack, but I love this approach just as much. This is exactly the kind of Alex Smith performance we need to see, but to do that, he has to be consistently efficient which is a really tall order.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:46 PM   #1463
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McCluster.

Either way, 24 scored by the O is a good thing.
I'm wrong but I'll take it.

That seemed to break them...
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At the time I thought it was stupid to take 3 off the board but taking the 1st and then choosing to PIItheirB afterwards is killer instinct.

Hells yes.

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The throw on first down to Brock. Just a Great great throw.
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Yeah, the return did it.

I gotta be honest, I wasn't sure we were going to pull it out up until that point. We just couldn't seem to get anything going. That really seemed to turn the whole game in our favor. Huge play. It was just a cakewalk after that.
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No the excuses are valid, he could have pased for 350+.

We still need help on OL.

The difference is Reid will keep throwing. 41 attempts today I think.
It's the first time I've seen him attempt some of those throws all season. It's hard to tell watching on tv, but I doubt the 2nd half was the first time all season those throws have been available. Whether it's game plan and/or Smith taking it on himself to attempt those passes, it was a huge improvement, despite the continued drops, O-Line issues, etc.
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It's the first time I've seen him attempt some of those throws all season. It's hard to tell watching on tv, but I doubt the 2nd half was the first time all season those throws have been available. Whether it's game plan and/or Smith taking it on himself to attempt those passes, it was a huge improvement, despite the continued drops, O-Line issues, etc.
Well, some time to adjust and learn your players around you should of been expected.

Seems that he really has taken a liking to McGrath.
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Well, some time to adjust and learn your players around you should of been expected.

Seems that he really has taken a liking to McGrath.
He does what a decent TE does.

He blocks fine and catches the ball when the scheme gets him open.
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We are winning games through efficient football. And that efficient football would have led to a dominating performance if not for a few drops, in my opinion. And we are dominating in the 4th quarter because we are owning the field position game.

I know people get boners over an aerial attack, but I love this approach just as much. This is exactly the kind of Alex Smith performance we need to see, but to do that, he has to be consistently efficient which is a really tall order.
It's not necessarily about 50+ yard plays, and I don't think that's the only thing people wanted to see... they did a great job of working the intermediate routes today, especially in the 2nd half, which is a big improvement and will hopefully open up the run game, too.

If you look at that play where JC wasn't looking for the ball on the pass, Bowe was on an out and up and would have been open... the chemistry needed to throw it at the right time and taking that kind of shot is needed at times (granted, he dropped the next ball thrown to him). We got a taste of that in the 2nd half, with Smith taking some chances, which is promising.
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It's not necessarily about 50+ yard plays, and I don't think that's the only thing people wanted to see... they did a great job of working the intermediate routes today, especially in the 2nd half, which is a big improvement and will hopefully open up the run game, too.

If you look at that play where JC wasn't looking for the ball on the pass, Bowe was on an out and up and would have been open... the chemistry needed to throw it at the right time and taking that kind of shot is needed at times (granted, he dropped the next ball thrown to him). We got a taste of that in the 2nd half, with Smith taking some chances, which is promising.
Look, I think you're spot on. But I think you're being way too generous in how other people are talking about the idea offense for us. I personally think the Alex Smith we saw in Philly and against the Giants is one that can take us places. But I want to see it against elite defenses. There are a gajillion people on this board that don't think it's good enough, because they want something more explosive versus an unsexy game management philosophy.
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