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Old 09-26-2013, 01:28 PM  
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Boehner says he will not pass a clean bill from Reid

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) insisted Thursday that the government would not shut down, but he also flatly refused to pass a "clean" spending bill to keep Uncle Sam in business next week when the bank account runs dry.

"I do not see that happening," Boehner told reporters on Capitol Hill after meeting with Republican legislators.

The House passed a measure last week to fund the government after Sept. 30 only if Democrats agree to strip spending from Obamacare. The Senate is in the process of removing the health care defunding and plans to send a simple spending bill back to the House by this weekend. That bill would keep the government running until Nov. 15.

Boehner declared, "I don't expect" the government to close. But he did not explain how he and his Republican caucus could amend the Senate bill, debate it, vote on it and send it back to the Senate for more action there before Oct. 1.

"There will be options available to us," Boehner said. "There's not going to be any speculation about what we're going to do or not do until the Senate passes their bill."

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Old 09-26-2013, 01:32 PM   #2
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:38 PM   #3
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Hey, it's time to collect our concession. The last time we got the sequester. This time I expect we'll get a delay in the individual mandate for a year. That buys enough time and sets up 2014 as a referendum on Obamacare. Ted Cruz's plan is all coming together.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:44 PM   #4
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Hey, it's time to collect our concession. The last time we got the sequester. This time I expect we'll get a delay in the individual mandate for a year. That buys enough time and sets up 2014 as a referendum on Obamacare. Ted Cruz's plan is all coming together.
I'm just so tired of potus not being able to build a consensus...and I'm getting ****ed by obamacare.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:45 PM   #5
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I'm just so tired of potus not being able to build a consensus...and I'm getting ****ed by obamacare.

I keep waiting for Putin to pop his head into congress and straighten shit out for Obama again.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:47 PM   #6
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Hey, it's time to collect our concession. The last time we got the sequester. This time I expect we'll get a delay in the individual mandate for a year. That buys enough time and sets up 2014 as a referendum on Obamacare. Ted Cruz's plan is all coming together.
A delay on the mandate is a HORRIBLE idea politically speaking. A better option would be to get the medical device tax repealed. Huge bipartisan support for it and it helps expose the true costs of Obamacare.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:48 PM   #7
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I keep waiting for Putin to pop his head into congress and straighten shit out for Obama again.
I'm not saying that....
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I keep waiting for Putin to pop his head into congress and straighten shit out for Obama again.
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A delay on the mandate is a HORRIBLE idea politically speaking. A better option would be to get the medical device tax repealed. Huge bipartisan support for it and it helps expose the true costs of Obamacare.
I haven't put any amount of study into what is the politically best option for a concession prize. I saw something this morning about a delay, and just threw it out there.

Either way, Ted Cruz and the Republicans have to walk away with some form of concession to put a cherry on top of this cake.
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I haven't put any amount of study into what is the politically best option for a concession prize. I saw something this morning about a delay, and just threw it out there.

Either way, Ted Cruz and the Republicans have to walk away with some form of concession to put a cherry on top of this cake.
yup, I agree. Though if Cruz's rhetoric was able to truly motivate the public in any significant way than he has already won the long game on this.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:56 PM   #11
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A delay on the mandate is a HORRIBLE idea politically speaking. A better option would be to get the medical device tax repealed. Huge bipartisan support for it and it helps expose the true costs of Obamacare.
Not if the Republicans will pull their heads out and continue to take their case to the American public.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:57 PM   #12
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yup, I agree. Though if Cruz's rhetoric was able to truly motivate the public in any significant way than he has already won the long game on this.
That's a fact!
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Not if the Republicans will pull their heads out and continue to take their case to the American public.
It's not that... it's that the mandate is a BITTER PILL for most people and delaying it will only push the issue off until AFTER the 2014 election. If the 2014 election happens right after people are being herded up and forced into exchanges... it will be political disaster for those who supported Obamacare.

The BEST political solution is to delay the mandate but nor for a YEAR, instead delay it 6 months. That would keep the pain of it fresh in the minds of the now pissed off public just as they are going to the polls.
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It's not that... it's that the mandate is a BITTER PILL for most people and delaying it will only push the issue off until AFTER the 2014 election. If the 2014 election happens right after people are being herded up and forced into exchanges... it will be political disaster for those who supported Obamacare.

The BEST political solution is to delay the mandate but nor for a YEAR, instead delay it 6 months. That would keep the pain of it fresh in the minds of the now pissed off public just as they are going to the polls.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:23 PM   #15
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Concessions?

What referendum did the Republicans win? The last I recall, they lost the Presidential election, lost seats in the Senate, and the Dems received a plurality of votes in the house.

You wonder why TP support is so low (22%); you aren't tacked to any form of objective reality. You're the team that lost a series in six games and claims they were the better squad.

At some point in a representative democracy the representatives stop bloviating and start governing.

What leverage to the Republicans have? They are going to be blamed for the government shutdown. Seventy five percent of independents see you as intractable.
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