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Old 09-26-2013, 01:28 PM  
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Boehner says he will not pass a clean bill from Reid

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) insisted Thursday that the government would not shut down, but he also flatly refused to pass a "clean" spending bill to keep Uncle Sam in business next week when the bank account runs dry.

"I do not see that happening," Boehner told reporters on Capitol Hill after meeting with Republican legislators.

The House passed a measure last week to fund the government after Sept. 30 only if Democrats agree to strip spending from Obamacare. The Senate is in the process of removing the health care defunding and plans to send a simple spending bill back to the House by this weekend. That bill would keep the government running until Nov. 15.

Boehner declared, "I don't expect" the government to close. But he did not explain how he and his Republican caucus could amend the Senate bill, debate it, vote on it and send it back to the Senate for more action there before Oct. 1.

"There will be options available to us," Boehner said. "There's not going to be any speculation about what we're going to do or not do until the Senate passes their bill."

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Old 09-27-2013, 03:51 PM   #106
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If the Republicans offer to fund Obamacare for a year in exchange for a year delay in the individual mandate, and Reid/Obama do not take it, they will pay a steep price with the American people.
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Old 09-27-2013, 03:54 PM   #107
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Holy crap. You still don't get it. SERIOUSLY TAKE A ****ING US GOVT CLASS. The people elect the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES to control funding. They did not elect Obama for that reason. People like YOu may think that's the case but that isn't our system of government. Shouting OBAMA over and over doesn't help you in the debate in the least. Calling my argument a strawman is also ridiculous. Maybe add some debate classes to the list as well.


HAHAHA. I need to learn the issue? You just (yet again) showed your ass on this. Please do some GENUINE research before showing up unarmed to the debate next time.

Ok, so Al or Cosmo would you like to provide some worthwhile sport on this subject? Junior here isn't any fun.
We really are wasting our time here. This is the numbskull who told me I had no idea what I was talking about when I said the Civil War was a power struggle between the states and the fed.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:00 PM   #108
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If the Republicans offer to fund Obamacare for a year in exchange for a year delay in the individual mandate, and Reid/Obama do not take it, they will pay a steep price with the American people.


It won't go the way you think it will go.

If you guys are soooo sure this is what the American people want, why can it not stand as its own separate issue?

Why does a government shutdown have to be on the table?
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:12 PM   #109
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It won't go the way you think it will go.

If you guys are soooo sure this is what the American people want, why can it not stand as its own separate issue?

Why does a government shutdown have to be on the table?
It was a separate issue when it was implemented AGAINST the will of the people. I find it rather amusing the left wants the right to play by a certain set of rules they they themselves have no intention of following unless it some how benefits them. Seriously, take your hypocrisy and go **** yourselves with it.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:26 PM   #110
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It won't go the way you think it will go.

If you guys are soooo sure this is what the American people want, why can it not stand as its own separate issue?

Why does a government shutdown have to be on the table?
You've got it backwards. That's what we're trying to do. Our side would love to seperate the issues, but Reid and Obama aren't going for it. We're not actually the ones who are putting government shut down on the table. Reid and Obama are the ones talking government shut down if they don't get their way.

"Just accept what we want to do" is what Reid said today. That's a quote.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:27 PM   #111
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The problem with this is that if you look at ANY poll out there, the MAJORITY of the American people say they oppose Obamacare. INFACT, the majority of the people opposed it when it was passed. So the only group forcing the will of the minority is the democrats.
What's weird is that there was a guy running for president a year ago who said that on his first day in office he would repeal Obamacare. He lost.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:30 PM   #112
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What's weird is that there was a guy running for president a year ago who said that on his first day in office he would repeal Obamacare. He lost.
Addressed in a later post but..... He also was responsible for his own version of said law as governor of his state. A lot of voters lacked faith in him to do what he said he would. Your argument fails to provide any conclusive proof.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:31 PM   #113
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If the government gets shut down, it's because Reid will not take a bill from the House that has Republican input. The only thing Republicans are going to ask for at this point is going to be that the American people get the same extension to the individual mandate that Obama gave to his friends in big business.

The Republicans are saying - alright, fine, you want tie Obamacare with everything else and fund it, the least you can do is give us the concession you took for yourself. If they want to shut down the government over it, so be it. It will be an easy thing for Republicans to explain to their constituents.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:32 PM   #114
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What's weird is that there was a guy running for president a year ago who said that on his first day in office he would repeal Obamacare. He lost.
The main reason he lost is because the people he wanted to vote for him didn't believe him. Romney was not a standard bearer. He lost because the base was faithless in him.

The last election was not a referendum on Obamacare - but the next one will be.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:33 PM   #115
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If the government gets shut down, it's because Reid will not take a bill from the House that has Republican input. The only thing Republicans are going to ask for at this point is going to be that the American people get the same extension to the individual mandate that Obama gave to his friends in big business.

The Republicans are saying - alright, fine, you want tie Obamacare with everything else and fund it, the least you can do is give us the concession you took for yourself. If they want to shut down the government over it, so be it. It will be an easy thing for Republicans to explain to their constituents.
I'm sure I am in the minority but, I actually am in favor of the government being shut. I was all for it back in '95 and I am all for it now.
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I'm sure I am in the minority but, I actually am in favor of the government being shut. I was all for it back in '95 and I am all for it now.
Under the current political circumstances, I could live with it if Obama and REid shut it down. I don't think it would be as bad for the Republicans as the leftist establishment media is trying to sell.

I don't want to see it happen, but if it did, I believe it would help Cruz's cause more than it would hurt it given the way things are currently laying out.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:36 PM   #117
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What's weird is that there was a guy running for president a year ago who said that on his first day in office he would repeal Obamacare. He lost.
But that's probably not WHY he lost.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:39 PM   #118
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I didn't vote for Romney. It wasn't because I love Obamacare, it was because I'm willing to stand by my convictions and do what I think is right by them. I don't think Romney is my guy in that regard. I think Romney would use my convictions as trade bait, and auction them off to gain leverage on issues like war, and other things I don't support.

Ted Cruz, on the other hand, is a guy who clearly is willing to stand on conviction.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:40 PM   #119
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Here is a thought for all those who have joined with the media to place the blame solely on the GOP should a govt shutdown (unlikely) occur.

Let's look at a situation...

Let's say that you have a college kid who gets money every month from his mom to pay his bills. He spends that money on food, gas, books and his hobby of collecting beenie babies. Now for whatever reason his mom is no longer in charge of the purse and his dad takes over. The dad doesn't agree with his son spending money on beenie babies so he says "I will give you the same money that you always got but you no longer are allowed to buy beenie babies." The son freaks out and says "NO! I refuse that deal!" The dad says, "sorry but I am now in charge of the finances and that's one expense I am not willing to pay for."

When the kid sticks to his guns and goes hungry... who is to blame? Is it 100% the fault of the dad?

The American public voted a new "parent" into office when they elected the current House. The House is the part of our govt that is SUPPOSED to be in charge of spending. Don't like what they chose to spend money on then elect new Reps. OR if you don't agree with our system of govt then change the Constitution so that Obama can just rule by executive fiat... oh wait...
The problem with your analogy is that there are 365 days in the year.

Why has the GOP decided not to negotiate these issues outside of a crisis situation?

During the 2012 campaign, the GOP and right wing media made a big deal about how the Senate had not passed a budget in so long. Now the Senate has passed a budget a long time ago and the house GOP does not want to schedule a conference to negotiate a bill that both chambers could pass.

Similarly, they have declined all offers to negotiate for new tax policy.

The problem with going on a mindfreak where you get some video game kick out of watching overzealous legislative minorities pretend like they run the show is that there are 365 days in the year my friend.

Why don't these folks negotiate all of these issues to the best legislation they could get that passes both houses and is not vetoed.

I think the biggest reason why is that they have a very cynical view of democracy. These guys are not even honest when talking about little things.

They do not care about the United States of America at all. The only thing they care about is making a name for themselves and getting fools to send them more money to act like goofballs.
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Under the current political circumstances, I could live with it if Obama and REid shut it down. I don't think it would be as bad for the Republicans as the leftist establishment media is trying to sell.

I don't want to see it happen, but if it did, I believe it would help Cruz's cause more than it would hurt it given the way things are currently laying out.
Ultimately, the help or hurt factor will be decided by the republicans themselves depending on how well they they run their PR campaign. If they run it like W ran his while he was in the White House, they may as well surrender now. But if they actually take some initiative, show some leadership, and go on the offensive not just against the left but, also against members of their own party like McCain and Graham, they can very well rally the support of the people behind them.

If they choose to continue the fight, they better not back out once they are in it and the shit really starts flying.
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