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Old 09-26-2013, 08:39 PM  
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The evolving Chiefs defense

I found this article interesting. I thought I would share it

We heard it all offseason. Numerous insiders claiming Bob Sutton’s defense was preparing to attack opposing offenses – that he would bring blitzes and exotic formations, and capitalize on the talent that was already on the team. The big story was simple: come Hell or high water, the Chiefs were going to get to the quarterback. The phrase, “the new, attacking defense” became a mantra of sorts around these parts.

So far, Bob Sutton’s squad has indeed gotten after the quarterback. After 3 games, the Chiefs lead the NFL in sacks, with 15.

How have they done it? It’s not as clear-cut as one would think. After Romeo Crennel’s 2-Gap 3-4 “bend-but-still-break” scheme proved fruitless, Chiefs fans nationwide were clamoring for an attack-style defense that utilized the skills of the Chiefs’ long list of high-drafted defenders. While most were focused on a switch to the 1-Gap, what was almost forgotten was what truly makes a good coach: playing to the strength of your players, and the weaknesses of your opponents. That’s exactly what Bob Sutton has done. He’s identified his player’s strengths and has picked on his opponent’s soft spots.

On Thursday, Chiefs Defensive End Mike DeVito was asked if playing an “attack-style defense” was more natural for a defender. His response was telling:

“I’m sure it depends on each individual, but this defense offers both. Sometimes you’re playing in a two-gap and sometimes you’re playing in a 4-3, so it’s kind of a hybrid. It gives guys the opportunity to do what they’re good at.”

What DeVito touches on here seems to be the key to it all. It wasn’t the fact that Romeo played a 2-Gap that resulted in an underwhelming defensive team. It was the fact that Romeo expected his players to conform to his defense, instead of leveraging his player’s skills for the betterment of the team. We heard this from Romeo all season last year as Dontari Poe, and the other high draft picks along the Chiefs defensive line were developing slowly as players. Romeo’s line was always a version of, “learning this defense takes time for defensive lineman.”


Dontari Poe looks great this year, but it’s interesting to think about where he could be in his development had Romeo not forced him into the 2-Gap, play after play. As Bob Sutton told the media on Thursday: “[Dontari]’s the classic guy to push the pocket guy 300-400 pound, but Poe can beat you individually. That’s the thing you need to know. Dontari can go by you just like one of the rushers can go by, so he provides both things to our defense.”

But last year, Dontari was explicitly told not to fly past blockers “just like one of the rushers” as Sutton mentions. He was told to engage his blocker, read the play, and react to it. Something counter to what he’d been coached to do his entire life.

Just as Sutton’s defense has been tailored to its players, it has also been tweaked each game in a concerted effort to attack the weaknesses of the Chiefs’ particular opponent for that week (otherwise known as good coaching). Each weekly plan by Sutton has built-in counter-plans so the team knows how to adjust, depending on how the opponent plays them throughout the contest. According to Sutton, the Chiefs “go in with a plan of how we’re going to attack a specific team and within that plan are usually some sub-plans that go on because like I always say, the enemy has a (plan) and we can say they’re going to do that but they don’t have to do it.” This is opposition to Romeo Crennel, who seemingly rolled out the same game plan week after week.

Though each of Sutton’s weekly plans are designed to exploit weaknesses, and put Chief defenders in the best position to succeed, the message is always the same. “We’re going after people,” said Sutton on Thursday. “[W]e’re training people on just rushing straight up and more importantly, know who you’re playing against, [and] know how to adapt if they adjust and decide to go a different route.”

It’s called evolution. This evolution isn’t coming over a period of years, either. It’s coming week after week, and day after day. It’s like the old saying about the NFL, “if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse.” This defense is growing, which is impressive, because they’re already playing like Giants.

Speaking of Giants, what will the Chiefs defense be doing this weekend? Bob Sutton gave us a hint: “[Y]ou have to start with Eli, he’s the guy.”

Here’s to starting with Eli. Here’s to getting to the quarterback. Here’s to evolving.

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:47 PM   #2
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Though each of Sutton’s weekly plans are designed to exploit weaknesses, and put Chief defenders in the best position to succeed, the message is always the same. “We’re going after people,” said Sutton on Thursday. “[W]e’re training people on just rushing straight up and more importantly, know who you’re playing against, [and] know how to adapt if they adjust and decide to go a different route.”
I'm sure this isn't a revolutionary concept in the NFL, but man, it seems like we've been missing that around here.
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thanks man, that's interesting.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:25 PM   #5
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But last year, Dontari was explicitly told not to fly past blockers “just like one of the rushers” as Sutton mentions. He was told to engage his blocker, read the play, and react to it.
some people around here just refused to believe that

our defense lineman were told NOT to penetrate

any wonder why they didn't get sacks



no DLine penetration and no blitzing = bad combination imo
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:29 PM   #6
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some people around here just refused to believe that

our defense lineman were told NOT to penetrate

any wonder why they didn't get sacks



no DLine penetration and no blitzing = bad combination imo

I don't understand that strategy at all. Not at all. You have the best athletes on the planet. You should be saying, "beat the guy in front of you and run to the ball", not "stand there and take up space". It's like you're voluntarily playing 11 on 8. I hate hate hate passive defensive philosophies.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:59 PM   #7
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I don't understand that strategy at all. Not at all. You have the best athletes on the planet. You should be saying, "beat the guy in front of you and run to the ball", not "stand there and take up space". It's like you're voluntarily playing 11 on 8. I hate hate hate passive defensive philosophies.
you don't understand 3-4 defenses then.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:08 PM   #8
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some people around here just refused to believe that

our defense lineman were told NOT to penetrate

any wonder why they didn't get sacks



no DLine penetration and no blitzing = bad combination imo
Not to excuse Tyson Jackson's performance thus far in the NFL... but you have to wonder how much of his lack of pass rush has been coaching vs. ability.

He has actually looked quasi-decent this year... i wonder, now that we are paying him less, if he is worth keeping around to see if he can un-learn everything from the Pioli years?

I hate him a little less, is what I'm trying to say.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:30 PM   #9
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some people around here just refused to believe that

our defense lineman were told NOT to penetrate

any wonder why they didn't get sacks



no DLine penetration and no blitzing = bad combination imo
I disagree that Poe is worse off for working 2-gap. I think all our Linemen are better for it. They learned to read the blocking and really good technique for how to engage in blocks and shed. It's almost like they were taught fundamentals first, and now they get to play with more instinct.

This article nails it, though. I hear people say they're glad we got rid of Romeo's 2-gap. No, they really didn't. They're just a hell of a lot more creative about the blitz packages and the hybrid to 4-3 alignments is really what makes the Ryan defense so unique. Props to Andy Reid, because this was an outstanding example of picking a coach to fit the strength of the players.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:33 PM   #10
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you don't understand 3-4 defenses then.
Not necessarily. Romeo's defense is all about gap control on the defensive front, and read and react. Diagnose the gap, occupy the gap, shed and release. It's definitely very passive.

There are 1-gap 3-4 defenses out there that give their linemen much more flexibility to attack.
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Not necessarily. Romeo's defense is all about gap control on the defensive front, and read and react. Diagnose the gap, occupy the gap, shed and release. It's definitely very passive.

There are 1-gap 3-4 defenses out there that give their linemen much more flexibility to attack.
I'm pretty sure he knows this. I think he's alluding to the fact that they occupy blockers, the NT hopefully 2, so in actuality the wouldn't be playing down 11-8. They'd be even, and if they play well and command double teams, can actually play up.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:43 PM   #12
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I'm pretty sure he knows this. I think he's alluding to the fact that they occupy blockers, the NT hopefully 2, so in actuality the wouldn't be playing down 11-8. They'd be even, and if they play well and command double teams, can actually play up.
But not all 3-4 defenses occupy blockers. DEs in a 1-gap 3-4 defense are asked to do a lot more than just take up space.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:29 AM   #13
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some people around here just refused to believe that

our defense lineman were told NOT to penetrate

any wonder why they didn't get sacks



no DLine penetration and no blitzing = bad combination imo


You're begging a QB to pick you apart. I wonder just how good Dorsey would have been. You know he was told to "read and react" instead of push forward. Dorsey already has 2 sacks on the year already. He's playing the nose tackle for the 9ers. He has about as many sacks as Poe. I feel like we've just been wasting the talent on this team for the past 5 years with bad coaching... And people wonder why we sucked? Good coaching makes all the difference in the world.
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Just as Sutton’s defense has been tailored to its players, it has also been tweaked each game in a concerted effort to attack the weaknesses of the Chiefs’ particular opponent for that week (otherwise known as good coaching). Each weekly plan by Sutton has built-in counter-plans so the team knows how to adjust, depending on how the opponent plays them throughout the contest.
i don't know if Sutton was Reid's guy or Dorsey's guy, but what a great ****ing hire...not an obvious name, but he is starting to remind of a defensive version of Al Saunders...
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