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Old 09-30-2013, 01:33 PM  
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Senate kills House spending bill

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Old 09-30-2013, 11:32 PM   #271
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Good line from a Texas blowhard: "The president will negotiate with Iranians. He'll negotiate with Syrians. He'll negotiate with Russians. But he will not negotiate with Americans if they're Republicans."

Most everything else that came out of his mouth wasn't worth saying.
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:40 PM   #272
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Good line from a Texas blowhard: "The president will negotiate with Iranians. He'll negotiate with Syrians. He'll negotiate with Russians. But he will not negotiate with Americans if they're Republicans."

Most everything else that came out of his mouth wasn't worth saying.
Holy crap that really is a good quote! Sessions?

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Old 09-30-2013, 11:45 PM   #273
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Holy crap that really is a good quote! Sessions?

And for those who have been worried... yes, the PandaCam is still online! http://nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/we...iant-panda.cfm
I didn't catch his name before it went off the screen. Handsome chap in the House. Not Sessions.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:32 AM   #274
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Good line from a Texas blowhard: "The president will negotiate with Iranians. He'll negotiate with Syrians. He'll negotiate with Russians. But he will not negotiate with Americans if they're Republicans."

Most everything else that came out of his mouth wasn't worth saying.
Obviously, all those people are more reasonable and sane than republicans.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:40 AM   #275
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Obviously, all those people are more reasonable and sane than republicans.
Says the guy who would not criticize anything the Democratic party did even if you held a shotgun to his head.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:28 AM   #276
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No, we know you're doing very well and we're happy for you.

What I find odd is the (IMO) misplaced confidence you seem to have that the most dysfunctional state in the union and the other population centers you speak of have any hope of success in the democrat dictatorship that you envision.
So, the central tenants of the AHCA should be dismissed?

Should families that purchased healthcare outside of a corporate job face bankruptcy if their medical bills exceed the benefits of the policy?

Should pre-existing conditions, including pregnancy, be a reason for an insurance company to deny coverage?

Once upon a time, health insurers were non-profit. They've only been around since the 40's in the US, so let's not male it out as if health insurance has been a burden for 200 plus years.

The "rules" were bullshit. Unless you were AFL-CIO or your employer provided insurance, health insurance in this country was unaffordable and bankrupted millions of families.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:33 AM   #277
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You guys act as if there are no lives on the line. As if there aren't millions of cancer patients, including children, that aren't waiting for this bill to go into effect.

Some of you people are disgusting and are completely clueless.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:54 AM   #278
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You guys act as if there are no lives on the line. As if there aren't millions of cancer patients, including children, that aren't waiting for this bill to go into effect.

Some of you people are disgusting and are completely clueless.
Lives being on the line is precisely why we're trying to get rid of this bill. Just about a month ago, Sebelius tried to play God with the life of a little 10 year old girl denying her a double lung transplant that her doctor recommended. Thankfully, the courts ruled in favor of the girl and she got the transplant she needed. It wasn't even a death panel - just a single person saying no, saying "some will live and some will die."

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Old 10-01-2013, 02:08 AM   #279
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Lives being on the line is precisely why we're trying to get rid of this bill. Just about a month ago, Sebelius tried to play God with the life of a little 10 year old girl denying her a double lung transplant that her doctor recommended. Thankfully, the courts ruled in favor of the girl and she got the transplant she needed. It wasn't even a death panel - just a single person saying no, saying "some will live and some will die."

Confused. I thought you liked it when the feds were hands off and left decisions to the process and the people involved in them. She didn't choose life or death she chose not to meddle in the situation.

This is the one where TJ is put off because the feds didn't swoop in and save someone.

Figuring out some of you guys is quite a task.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:25 AM   #280
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Good line from a Texas blowhard: "The president will negotiate with Iranians. He'll negotiate with Syrians. He'll negotiate with Russians. But he will not negotiate with Americans if they're Republicans."

Most everything else that came out of his mouth wasn't worth saying.
The GOP asks why Obama will negotiate with Putin and not with them. Here’s why.

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Let's run the analogy out.

Imagine that Putin stepped forward tomorrow morning and announced that Russia had developed a computer virus that would shut down the market for U.S. Treasuries and that he would release that virus unless Obama agreed to a list of Russian demands.

No one would say Russia was asking for negotiations with Obama.

They would say Russia was holding the U.S. economy hostage and demanding that Obama pay a ransom. No Republican -- and no Democrat -- would advice Obama to take that meeting. The sole question would be prevention and, if necessary, reprisal.
This is the core disagreement between the White House and the Republican Party. The Republican Party thinks it's offering the White House something it wants — the continued creditworthiness of the United States of America — in return for things the GOP wants, like a one-year delay on Obamacare.

But the White House doesn't see an increase in the debt limit as something that the Republicans are giving them. As Obama put it in his news conference: "Paying America's bills is not a concession to me. That's not doing me a favor."

If the Republicans just wanted negotiations, the Obama administration would be happy to oblige them. The White House, after all, has repeatedly said they're willing to negotiate with the Republicans over the deficit, over jobs, over sequestration, and much else. Republicans haven't been interested in those kinds of negotiations for some time. Indeed, after the fiscal cliff, Speaker John Boehner told Republicans that he was finished negotiating directly with Obama.

The reason Republicans aren't interested in those negotiations is they don't want to give anything up to get the things they want. That's why they like negotiating over the debt ceiling: Since they also don't want the the U.S. to lose its creditworthiness and fall back into financial crisis, raising the debt ceiling is not actually giving anything up. It's releasing a hostage they never wanted to shoot.

The GOP argues the fact that they don't want to vote to raise the debt ceiling makes it a concession to the White House. The White House disagrees. But that -- and not negotiations in general -- is the core issue. If Putin came to Obama with anything akin to the GOP's position on the debt ceiling, it would be perceived not as an opening for negotiations, but as a prelude to war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...hem-heres-why/
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:08 AM   #281
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You guys act as if there are no lives on the line. As if there aren't millions of cancer patients, including children, that aren't waiting for this bill to go into effect.

Some of you people are disgusting and are completely clueless.
show me one instance where health is in jeopardy. show me one instance where it effected the health of any american, since we know it happened before.

and OBTW- what these crooks are doing is wrong. yet, no repercussions. there's no way to correct these folks. you can't do one thing -- they are untouchable, so **** off.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:27 AM   #282
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Ok so the good kid who went to high school, got good grades, applied to college and went to a pretty good school, did well in college, graduated with a good grade point average, got a bachelor's degree, got a job in Washington working at, say, Housing and Urban Development, makes regular on time payments on his/her student loans and generally did all the right things is now furloughed from work and is will not be paid.

The bum who dropped out of high school, got in trouble with the law, never worked a day in his/her life, had a bunch of kids that he/she couldn't afford, smokes two packs of cigarettes a day, got on some government program, and generally did all the wrong things wll continue to get his/her check today from Uncle Sam.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:27 AM   #283
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So, the central tenants of the AHCA should be dismissed?

Should families that purchased healthcare outside of a corporate job face bankruptcy if their medical bills exceed the benefits of the policy?

Should pre-existing conditions, including pregnancy, be a reason for an insurance company to deny coverage?

Once upon a time, health insurers were non-profit. They've only been around since the 40's in the US, so let's not male it out as if health insurance has been a burden for 200 plus years.

The "rules" were bullshit. Unless you were AFL-CIO or your employer provided insurance, health insurance in this country was unaffordable and bankrupted millions of families.
Your post has nothing to do with mine. You probably meant to quote someone else.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:13 AM   #284
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Sorry....saw this on reddit titled:

"The REAL reason behind today's government shutdown"


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