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Old 09-30-2013, 04:32 PM  
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New Republican strategy to eliminate the CR and piecemeal the budget

So there's a new strategy making the rounds - we'll see soon how real it is. But basically it's this: rather than yielding to Reid and Obama's desire to shut down the government over a delay, the Republicans in the House may start to pass individual budget measures for essential things, and leave things that aren't deemed essential to just simply go without funding - perhaps even permanently.

In the process, Obamacare simply doesn't get funded, and the Republicans start efforts to advance their own plan which has been in development over the last several months.

Apparently the establishment Republicans like Peter King are howling over this, but Boehner is faced with either doing this, sitting on the bill he just proposed, or hitting the nuclear button and moving against the base and siding with the Democrats.
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:38 PM   #16
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Reminds me of the time that Romeo Crennel changed the message from

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Looks like a similar shift in momentum is about to happen.
The struggle over Obamacare and the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs are remarkably similar, aren't they?
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:01 PM   #17
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Democrats complaining about this shit is one thing, but when these supposed Republicans start grousing [King, McCain, I'm looking at you], they might as well be screaming 'now the world knows I have no balls!! how dare you expose my Ken doll crotch!!'
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:22 AM   #18
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So there's a new strategy making the rounds - we'll see soon how real it is. But basically it's this: rather than yielding to Reid and Obama's desire to shut down the government over a delay, the Republicans in the House may start to pass individual budget measures for essential things, and leave things that aren't deemed essential to just simply go without funding - perhaps even permanently.

In the process, Obamacare simply doesn't get funded, and the Republicans start efforts to advance their own plan which has been in development over the last several months.

Apparently the establishment Republicans like Peter King are howling over this, but Boehner is faced with either doing this, sitting on the bill he just proposed, or hitting the nuclear button and moving against the base and siding with the Democrats.
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It's good to see the Republicans working so hard to avoid the obstructionism of Obama and Reid.

That's some serious spin you're attempting to employ.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:27 AM   #19
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Democrats complaining about this shit is one thing, but when these supposed Republicans start grousing [King, McCain, I'm looking at you], they might as well be screaming 'now the world knows I have no balls!! how dare you expose my Ken doll crotch!!'
You're brighter than this. I can't IMAGINE why King wouldn't be all in favor of a tea party-backed government shutdown. Oh WAIT, maybe he's representing HIS voting base.

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As for McCain, he is what he is -- a maverick "Republican"
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:32 AM   #20
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Obama and the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs are remarkably similar, aren't they?
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You're brighter than this. I can't IMAGINE why King wouldn't be all in favor of a tea party-backed government shutdown. Oh WAIT, maybe he's representing HIS voting base.

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1996 President Clinton 54–34%
2000 President Gore 57–39%
2004 President Kerry 53–45%
2008 President Obama 56–43%
2012 President Obama 52–48%

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As for McCain, he is what he is -- a maverick "Republican"
Just what the Republicans need, more Muslimophobia and Zionism, and less fiscal responsibility.

Joe Lieberman represented his voting base, doesn't make tax and spending nannystating hawkism a 'conservative' strain of the Democrats.

Same for Huckabee on the Republican side.

There is more than ample support for fiscal restraint to wrest the debate from between 'cradle to grave' -vs- 'who gives a ****, pay 'em whatever it takes to go away.'
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:58 AM   #22
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This "plan" sounds suspiciously like the normal appropriations process, ie the process which they have eschewed and avoided all year.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:02 AM   #23
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Just what the Republicans need, more Muslimophobia and Zionism, and less fiscal responsibility.

Joe Lieberman represented his voting base, doesn't make tax and spending nannystating hawkism a 'conservative' strain of the Democrats.

Same for Huckabee on the Republican side.

There is more than ample support for fiscal restraint to wrest the debate from between 'cradle to grave' -vs- 'who gives a ****, pay 'em whatever it takes to go away.'

One need not oppose Obamacare to the death to be fiscally moderate/conservative.

If the Republicans had to blow their brains over on a budget item, I'd rather it be runaway entitlements that are already without question going to blow the budget to hell in a few years.
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I was hoping that traffic would be slightly lighter than normal. No such luck. The shutdown has failed to affect me.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:09 AM   #25
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If there were 1 shred of truth to this semantic game some republicans want to play "oh no we're not shutting down the government you are, we're rubber youre glue bs", then they would just appoint conferees to the budgets that have already passed each house as we have done for the last 224 years.
How many times has a continuing resolution bill ever ended up in a conference? My guess is not many, maybe zero.
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One need not oppose Obamacare to the death to be fiscally moderate/conservative.

If the Republicans had to blow their brains over on a budget item, I'd rather it be runaway entitlements that are already without question going to blow the budget to hell in a few years.
Obamacare, particularly if it is the gateway to single-payer its crafters hoped, will make entitlements look like auto ashtray change.
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How many times has a continuing resolution bill ever ended up in a conference? My guess is not many, maybe zero.
I think you are correct, never. Which is why I assume Reid says he is refusing to do that.

This is probably the most dysfunctional our government has been since the antebellum Congress, or maybe when they beat up that guy with the cane.
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Here's a look at who is furloughed:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...furloughs.html

I wonder if this thing could stretch out a hundred days...
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I think you are correct, never. Which is why I assume Reid says he is refusing to do that.

This is probably the most dysfunctional our government has been since the antebellum Congress, or maybe when they beat up that guy with the cane.
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