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Old 09-30-2013, 05:32 PM  
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New Republican strategy to eliminate the CR and piecemeal the budget

So there's a new strategy making the rounds - we'll see soon how real it is. But basically it's this: rather than yielding to Reid and Obama's desire to shut down the government over a delay, the Republicans in the House may start to pass individual budget measures for essential things, and leave things that aren't deemed essential to just simply go without funding - perhaps even permanently.

In the process, Obamacare simply doesn't get funded, and the Republicans start efforts to advance their own plan which has been in development over the last several months.

Apparently the establishment Republicans like Peter King are howling over this, but Boehner is faced with either doing this, sitting on the bill he just proposed, or hitting the nuclear button and moving against the base and siding with the Democrats.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:26 PM   #46
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Latest GOP shutdown proposal fails; no separate funding for vets, parks
By Carrie Dann and Michael O'Brien, NBC News



As the federal government shutdown neared the end of its first business day, the House failed to pass a series of separate bills to restart funding for national parks, veterans' services and the city of Washington, D.C.

Republicans are currently trying to reopen popular parts of the government by offering money to fund entities such as national parks, but the Democrats are comparing that to a "release-one-hostage-at-a-time strategy," insisting the full government be funded rather than doing it one piece at a time. NBC's Kelly O'Donnell reports

The measures, designed to eliminate some of the most unpopular consequences of the ongoing shutdown, required a two-thirds majority vote under the House's rules.

Democrats remained mostly united against the funding bills, which they argued amounted to the GOP's "cherry-picking" of politically palatable federal spending while ignoring the problems of the larger government funding lapse.
The vote on restoring funding for the Veterans Affairs Department was 264-164, with 33 Democrats voting in support. A measure to fund the city of D.C. failed by a similar margin. And a bill to keep national parks and museums open also failed to get the two-thirds majority needed

Even if passed, the piecemeal continuing resolutions -- dubbed "mini-CRs"-- would have faced a quick demise.

Democratic leaders immediately rejected the plan earlier Tuesday, holding to their demand that Republicans relent and pass the six-week extension of government spending sent to them by the Senate.

"These piecemeal efforts are not serious, and they are no way to run a government," White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage said, adding, "The President and the Senate have been clear that they won't accept this kind of game-playing, and if these bills were to come to the President's desk he would veto them."

With the federal government out of money and out of time, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Va., third from left, meets with House Republican conferees as the Republican-controlled House and the Democrat-controlled Senate remain at an impasse, neither side backing down over Obamacare, Tuesday, Oct. 1, 2013 on Capitol Hill in Washington.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called the Republican effort a "wacky idea" that would simply "cherry-pick some of the few parts of government that they like."

"First, we need to end the government shutdown, and then Democrats are happy to agree on funding specific items," Reid said.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the GOP plan was akin to "releasing one hostage at a time."

A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner called the White House's veto threat "unsustainably hypocritical."

"How does the White House justify signing the troop funding bill, but vetoing similar measures for veterans, National Parks, and District of Columbia?" said spokesman Michael Steel. "The President can't continue to complain about the impact of the government shutdown on veterans, visitors at National Parks, and DC while vetoing bills to help them."

Earlier, President Barack Obama continued to place blame for the shutdown squarely on the GOP.

"This Republican shutdown did not have to happen. But I want every American to understand why it did happen," Obama said during remarks in the Rose Garden. "They've shut down the government over an ideological crusade to deny affordable health insurance to millions of Americans."

President Barack Obama reacts to Tuesday's government shutdown while speaking at the White House.

Obama scolded the GOP for its focus on his signature domestic achievement, urging Congress to take up a simple continuation of government spending or risk the economic fallout that would come as a result.

"This is only going to happen when Republicans realize they don't get to hold the economy hostage over ideological demands," Obama said. "It's all about rolling back the Affordable Care Act. This, more than anything else, seems to be what the Republican Party stands for these days."

Complicating matters for Obama, his Democratic allies and Republican adversaries in Congress is that they must now venture onto uncertain political terrain, given that this shutdown is the first one in 17 years.

Members of the US Park Service close the Lincoln memorial on the National Mall October 1, 2013 in Washington, DC.The United States lurched into a dreaded government shutdown today for the first time in 17 years, after Congress failed to end a bitter budget row after hours of dizzying brinkmanship.

The shutdown itself came to pass following a flurry of activity late Monday, which ended after Democrats rejected an 11th-hour attempt by Republicans to convene a “conference” committee – the formal process of resolving differences between House and Senate legislation – after their repeated attempts to both fund government and undo either part or all of Obamacare were rejected by the Democratic Senate.

On Tuesday, Reid said that Democrats would be happy to engage in a conference committee – but only after Republicans relented, and passed the extension of government spending through mid-November favored by Democrats.

“We will not go to conference with a gun to our head,” Reid said late Monday on the Senate floor.

In the absence of a solution, leaders in both parties shifted to playing the blame game, as Republicans accused Democrats of having forced the shutdown, and vice versa.

And new polling released Tuesday morning suggested that blame was likely to fall unevenly upon both political parties, with Americans directing their ire more toward Republicans in Congress than Obama or Democratic lawmakers.
A Quinnipiac University poll found that Americans gave Republicans in Congress their lowest marks ever, with 74 percent disapproving of the way the GOP is handling its job. (Sixty percent of Americans said they disapproved of the way Democrats in Congress were handling their job, and 49 percent disapproved of the way Obama is handling his job.)

Moreover, the poll also found that voters broadly oppose – 72 to 22 percent – shutting down the federal government to block the implementation of Obamacare, the core element of Republicans’ strategy to date.
NBC News' Frank Thorp and Domenico Montanaro contributed to this report.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:28 PM   #47
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The procedural means of putting it on the floor required a 2/3 majority vote to pass.

Cruz and the GOP figured that House Dems would be afraid to vote against it and that Reid would get the blame for not putting it to vote in Senate or would pass piece by piece in Senate and then Obama would have to decide to veto or not.
Ah, playing more politics with this and they made the rule. Well that sounds about par for the course.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:36 PM   #48
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Moreover, the poll also found that voters broadly oppose – 72 to 22 percent – shutting down the federal government to block the implementation of Obamacare, the core element of Republicans’ strategy to date.
This is what the people want!

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Old 10-01-2013, 07:42 PM   #49
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Great plan. All the while it now has been disclosed Boner tried in secret to keep Congressional staff health care subsidies.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:47 PM   #50
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I don't think it hurts Republicans to repeatedly highlight the failings of Obamacare and make sure the people know who is fighting tooth and nail to preserve it. I don't think they'll succeed in the current effort, but it's giving them a high profile platform for landing body blows on the democrats' Obamacare support that may end up making a difference down the road if the law remains as unpopular as it is today.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:51 PM   #51
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I don't think it hurts Republicans to repeatedly highlight the failings of Obamacare and make sure the people know who is fighting tooth and nail to preserve it. I don't think they'll succeed in the current effort, but it's giving them a high profile platform for landing body blows on the democrats' Obamacare support that may end up making a difference down the road if the law remains as unpopular as it is today.
It is not like anyone didn't know the other 45 times they tried to kill it. They made their point now open the government back up.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:57 PM   #52
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It is not like anyone didn't know the other 45 times they tried to kill it. They made their point now open the government back up.
I think you're wrong about that. I think there are millions of people who didn't know about it the other 45 times. I think the publicity around this is much more high profile than it has been any of those other times.
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It does amaze me though how much name calling the left engages in. Right or wrong, if you think you are are right and above it all, calling people names doesn't come off as such.
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Obama says this is the "law of the land" yet he modified it himself illegally about 17 times. That's what makes him look bad but the media will not talk about that.
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Obama says this is the "law of the land" yet he modified it himself illegally about 17 times. That's what makes him look bad but the media will not talk about that.
What looks bad is repeating the same myths over and over again.
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Obama says this is the "law of the land" yet he modified it himself illegally about 17 times. That's what makes him look bad but the media will not talk about that.
Himself?

Link? What were the big 17 changes?
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What looks bad is repeating the same myths over and over again.
Okay, you're right, what has happened didn't really happen. I'll play along
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Himself?

Link? What were the big 17 changes?
I'll just focus on the one getting the attention, the delay of implementing this for large business. Oh and the waivers that were handed out. Did congress do any of that?
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I'll just focus on the one getting the attention, the delay of implementing this for large business. Oh and the waivers that were handed out. Did congress do any of that?
I keep hearing 17, and i said this one was a bad idea, but no one wants to talk about the other 16. What were they punctuation typos?

Also, Obama "himself" didnt do this one.
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They used some proceedure that required a 2/3rds vote hoping to get some democrats to vote for it and thinking that if they vote against it, it might be hard to defend in the next election.

It seems like doing this with DoD funding would have been a better place to start.
Maybe you and the GOP ought to stop trying to lay traps so that you can bombard the airwaves with misleading advertisements in the next election and actually try to persuade voters by explaining your policy plans and ideas.

A big reason why the GOP has a diminished reputation is that they are ignoring the principles that good parents try to teach their kids. Like the golden rule and being honest and other simple things.

I wonder what new show pony stunt we might see next.
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