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Old 09-30-2013, 04:32 PM  
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New Republican strategy to eliminate the CR and piecemeal the budget

So there's a new strategy making the rounds - we'll see soon how real it is. But basically it's this: rather than yielding to Reid and Obama's desire to shut down the government over a delay, the Republicans in the House may start to pass individual budget measures for essential things, and leave things that aren't deemed essential to just simply go without funding - perhaps even permanently.

In the process, Obamacare simply doesn't get funded, and the Republicans start efforts to advance their own plan which has been in development over the last several months.

Apparently the establishment Republicans like Peter King are howling over this, but Boehner is faced with either doing this, sitting on the bill he just proposed, or hitting the nuclear button and moving against the base and siding with the Democrats.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:45 PM   #61
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It does amaze me though how much name calling the left engages in. Right or wrong, if you think you are are right and above it all, calling people names doesn't come off as such.
Did something posted in this thread lead to this observation? Or, are you watching TV or something?
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:47 PM   #62
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Did something posted in this thread lead to this observation? Or, are you watching TV or something?
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:49 PM   #63
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Maybe you and the GOP ought to stop trying to lay traps so that you can bombard the airwaves with misleading advertisements in the next election and actually try to persuade voters by explaining your policy plans and ideas.

A big reason why the GOP has a diminished reputation is that they are ignoring the principles that good parents try to teach their kids. Like the golden rule and being honest and other simple things.

I wonder what new show pony stunt we might see next.
Ok, that down right made me laugh.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:50 PM   #64
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MSNBC?

On this particular thing the Daily Show and Colbert Report and all of the late night monlogues are all going to have a ball with this stuff?
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:53 PM   #65
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Ok, that down right made me laugh.
I suppose you agree with patteeu that the thing to do now is to come up with some other bill that will not pass under these circumstances just so that it can be an ad in the next election.

Is the next bill going to be restore funding for all federal programs that promote the love of puppies and kittens?
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:55 PM   #66
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BTW there's another reason to oppose this "piecemeal" effort.

If granted, the Republicans (or whichever party was in control) could just control the budget by only addressing those portions of government they wanted to fund and not trying too hard on the rest. It would also encourage future dysfunction.
I completely disagree. I think this is the way it should be done all of the time. Let's actually look at and vote on one issue at a time instead of lumping everything into one big bill that has hidden surprises in it.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:56 PM   #67
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Maybe you and the GOP ought to stop trying to lay traps so that you can bombard the airwaves with misleading advertisements in the next election and actually try to persuade voters by explaining your policy plans and ideas.

A big reason why the GOP has a diminished reputation is that they are ignoring the principles that good parents try to teach their kids. Like the golden rule and being honest and other simple things.

I wonder what new show pony stunt we might see next.
You mean like calling Romney a murderer?
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:57 PM   #68
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"Reconciliation" has been used and abused by both sides, why not do this, too.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:59 PM   #69
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You mean like calling Romney a murderer?
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I completely disagree. I think this is the way it should be done all of the time. Let's actually look at and vote on one issue at a time instead of lumping everything into one big bill that has hidden surprises in it.
Logrolling, as it is sometimes called is a practice i would not mind seeing go away either. But the federal budget is pretty complicated to fund every item as a separate bill.
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In the last election a pro Obama ad ran that blamed Romney for the death of a woman.

It was the epitome of misleading advertisement.
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Logrolling, as it is sometimes called is a practice i would not mind seeing go away either. But the federal budget is pretty complicated to fund every item as a separate bill.
Sounds like a good way to start simplifying it to me. You want to cut down on waste, go this route.
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In the last election a pro Obama ad ran that blamed Romney for the death of a woman.

It was the epitome of misleading advertisement.
ok, that old bain capital third party ad?

You threw me off when you said murder. That involves intent. And the ad just said romney closed his plant and he lost his health care. They said romney didnt care, not that he murdered her.

Thats a pretty high standard to equate dems with every ad run by a third party. I dont think republicans would want that standard applied to them.

For good examples on the other side google "willie horton" or "john mccain illegitimate child flyers"
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Maybe you and the GOP ought to stop trying to lay traps so that you can bombard the airwaves with misleading advertisements in the next election and actually try to persuade voters by explaining your policy plans and ideas.

A big reason why the GOP has a diminished reputation is that they are ignoring the principles that good parents try to teach their kids. Like the golden rule and being honest and other simple things.

I wonder what new show pony stunt we might see next.
By the golden rule do you mean calling people racist, anarchist, arsonist, etc?
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ok, that old bain capital third party ad?

You threw me off when you said murder. That involves intent. And the ad just said romney closed his plant and he lost his health care. They said romney didnt care, not that he murdered her.

Thats a pretty high standard to equate dems with every ad run by a third party. I dont think republicans would want that standard applied to them.

For good examples on the other side google "willie horton" or "john mccain illegitimate child flyers"

No, the word murder was never actually used. But the ad implied pretty strongly that Romney had the woman's blood on his hands.

And I will once again disagree. Just because the party does not pay for it does not negate that is was members of the party behind it. Further more, if you re-read jettio's comments he says "Maybe you and the GOP..." I'd say that opens the discussion up for third parties even if you want to make the distinction.
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