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Old 09-30-2013, 04:32 PM  
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New Republican strategy to eliminate the CR and piecemeal the budget

So there's a new strategy making the rounds - we'll see soon how real it is. But basically it's this: rather than yielding to Reid and Obama's desire to shut down the government over a delay, the Republicans in the House may start to pass individual budget measures for essential things, and leave things that aren't deemed essential to just simply go without funding - perhaps even permanently.

In the process, Obamacare simply doesn't get funded, and the Republicans start efforts to advance their own plan which has been in development over the last several months.

Apparently the establishment Republicans like Peter King are howling over this, but Boehner is faced with either doing this, sitting on the bill he just proposed, or hitting the nuclear button and moving against the base and siding with the Democrats.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:34 PM   #76
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I keep hearing 17, and i said this one was a bad idea, but no one wants to talk about the other 16. What were they punctuation typos?

Also, Obama "himself" didnt do this one.
I don't know that they're illegal (because laws often give the executive branch some discretionary flexibility), but we should consider anything that happens in the executive branch the responsibility of the man in the oval office. If it's a rogue activity and he finds out about it, he can put an end to it. If he doesn't, then we can only assume that he approves. The buck stops with Obama whether he wants it to or not.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:36 PM   #77
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Maybe you and the GOP ought to stop trying to lay traps so that you can bombard the airwaves with misleading advertisements in the next election and actually try to persuade voters by explaining your policy plans and ideas.

A big reason why the GOP has a diminished reputation is that they are ignoring the principles that good parents try to teach their kids. Like the golden rule and being honest and other simple things.

I wonder what new show pony stunt we might see next.
Yeah, when the democrats stop trying to lay traps and bombarding the airwaves with misleading advertisements, I'll get right on reigning in the Republicans.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:36 PM   #78
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You mean like calling Romney a murderer?
Who did that? I mean, I know who actually said what. But I assume you don't or you wouldn't even mention such nonsense.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:37 PM   #79
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I suppose you agree with patteeu that the thing to do now is to come up with some other bill that will not pass under these circumstances just so that it can be an ad in the next election.

Is the next bill going to be restore funding for all federal programs that promote the love of puppies and kittens?
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:38 PM   #80
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In the last election a pro Obama ad ran that blamed Romney for the death of a woman.

This is It was the epitome of misleading post advertisement.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:42 PM   #81
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No, the word murder was never actually used. But the ad implied pretty strongly that Romney had the woman's blood on his hands.
The ad implied that health insurance can be a life and death issue. That anyone had the impression that Mitt Romney killed someone is drama queen stuff.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:43 PM   #82
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I don't know that they're illegal (because laws often give the executive branch some discretionary flexibility), but we should consider anything that happens in the executive branch the responsibility of the man in the oval office. If it's a rogue activity and he finds out about it, he can put an end to it. If he doesn't, then we can only assume that he approves. The buck stops with Obama whether he wants it to or not.
I agreed and stated yesterday that obama directs hhs (within the scope of the authorizing) act. But as you correctly point out, if these are ordinary regulatory implementations, then thats not something to really complain about.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:48 PM   #83
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The ad implied that health insurance can be a life and death issue. That anyone had the impression that Mitt Romney killed someone is drama queen stuff.
No, it really isn't. She died, according to the ad, due to a lack of health insurance caused by Romney's decisions. The impression is clearly there. The "drama queen stuff" was the ad itself. As I recall when people started digging I to the story they found the ad had taken some pretty strong liberties.

As I said, false advertisement. Jettio is pot calling the kettle black.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:55 PM   #84
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No, the word murder was never actually used. But the ad implied pretty strongly that Romney had the woman's blood on his hands.

And I will once again disagree. Just because the party does not pay for it does not negate that is was members of the party behind it. Further more, if you re-read jettio's comments he says "Maybe you and the GOP..." I'd say that opens the discussion up for third parties even if you want to make the distinction.
I agree it was a smear-y ad.


but we will disagree that the romney ad is relevant to the current official republican decision making process.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:58 PM   #85
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No, it really isn't. She died, according to the ad, due to a lack of health insurance caused by Romney's decisions. The impression is clearly there. The "drama queen stuff" was the ad itself. As I recall when people started digging I to the story they found the ad had taken some pretty strong liberties.

As I said, false advertisement. Jettio is pot calling the kettle black.
Geez, I thought Romney actually murdered someone. This changes everything. Anyway, it was some 3rd party ad, not Obama's or even the DNC.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:59 PM   #86
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I agree it was a smear-y ad.


but we will disagree that the romney ad is relevant to the current official republican decision making process.
I do not care what the ads pertain to. All I was doing was pointing out a hypocrisy. Jettio going on about false advertisements when the side he supports does the same thing is, in fact, hypocritical.
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Geez, I thought Romney actually murdered someone. This changes everything.
Exaggerating an exaggerated ad to make a point. Regardless, the implication that her blood was on his hands was there, wether you care to admit it or not.

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Anyway, it was some 3rd party ad, not Obama's or even the DNC.
Irrelevant for reasons already stated in my response to banyon on the same subject.
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Yeah, when the democrats stop trying to lay traps and bombarding the airwaves with misleading advertisements, I'll get right on reigning in the Republicans.
What traps have democrats set out to get votes on record for bills that have no chance of passing?
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Agree with patteeu?
So you are not in favor of the proposed GOP bill to restore federal funding for liking puppies?

Seems like you were doing some monday morning quarterbacking that suggested that the GOP had picked the wrong topics for piecemealing.
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I do not care what the ads pertain to. All I was doing was pointing out a hypocrisy. Jettio going on about false advertisements when the side he supports does the same thing is, in fact, hypocritical.
I was making a two-part point about setting up legislative votes for bills that are doomed just so that you can try to mislead voters about the topic, significance and context of the vote.

IMO, the Obama campaign was fortunate to have the money under their control and could run better ads and set up their GOTV.

IMO, the GOP ads funded by big money to Super PACs were formulaic and ineffective and the ineffectiveness was largely due to not respecting independent voters ability to detect bullsh*t.
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